2017 the Viper is done
07-08-2016, 07:14 PM
#41
Ok, my mistake with the weight. But you don't have to be arrogant. This is a discussion. However, I stand by the outdated engine comment. I love the fact that it's a NA V10 but in today's standards, a smaller FI V8 would've probably given it a better chance at survival.
07-08-2016, 10:00 PM
#42
Scraping the splitter.
Gen IV coupes are selling in the $60-70k range with low miles against a $90-100k MSRP and Gen IV ACR's have been selling in the $70-80k range for the last few years against $105-110k MSRP. Adjusting for inflation, you'll get about 1/2 of your money back in 10-years.
Nobody knows what the Gen V ACR will bring in the future, but the Gen V's have not held strong resale value.
Clearly, your friend doesn't know the Viper resale market.
S.
07-09-2016, 11:37 PM
#43
Le Mans Master
I think the latest version is a slam dunk. For me, it feels like the same in-your-face-deal-with-it approach that worked for Viper in the 90s didn't age well. Still a charming attribute in the Gen 1 and 2 versions, like a Shelby Daytona couple. In the year 2017, it's not received so enthusiastically by the "sophisticated" buyer which probably looks at the car as cartoony.
07-10-2016, 06:20 PM
#44
Team Owner
Two biggest issues with the Viper were:
1) V10 truck engine
2) Big and heavy
It could not have survived any longer. Dodge needed to develop a completely new, smaller, more efficient engine and the chassis had to go on a diet. They just did not have the funds to properly develop the Viper to get it to today's standards. Just comparing it to a new Corvette is embarrassing.
So yeah, it's cancellation was to be expected. But, I do believe that whoever has a Viper now should hold on to it. It's future collectability has now been cast in stone.
1) V10 truck engine
2) Big and heavy
It could not have survived any longer. Dodge needed to develop a completely new, smaller, more efficient engine and the chassis had to go on a diet. They just did not have the funds to properly develop the Viper to get it to today's standards. Just comparing it to a new Corvette is embarrassing.
So yeah, it's cancellation was to be expected. But, I do believe that whoever has a Viper now should hold on to it. It's future collectability has now been cast in stone.
07-10-2016, 07:15 PM
#45
Burning Brakes
Well I am going to hang on to my '13 GTS for as long as I can and just keep driving and enjoying it. It's really just as fun a car to drive as the vette is and I think they complement each other. It would have been interesting to see if Chrysler would have been willing to stuff a v8 hemi like the 6.4l SRT engines or the 6.2 Hellcat into something sporty in the future to compete with the corvette. If anyone can make another competitor to the vette Chrysler could do it again.
07-12-2016, 06:37 PM
#46
Team Owner
The Viper is a fabulous track car. Period. And it had better be with that aero package.
An everyday car? A long trip car? A semi-practical car? Only to a tiny, tiny segment of people. Even most Viper owners won't get close to realizing their full potential.
Sucks that the Viper is going away...I grew up with them as my friend is a Viper owner/fanatic.
An everyday car? A long trip car? A semi-practical car? Only to a tiny, tiny segment of people. Even most Viper owners won't get close to realizing their full potential.
Sucks that the Viper is going away...I grew up with them as my friend is a Viper owner/fanatic.
07-12-2016, 09:22 PM
#47
07-16-2016, 12:16 AM
#53
Race Director
It may be called a Viper, but I have my doubts it will be a Viper. It likely will be dramatically softened and end up something more akin to an Aston Martin. A fast, luxurious grand touring car, rather than a brash in your face ax wielding maniac of a car that I love so much.
07-16-2016, 05:06 AM
#54
Race Director
I'm quite confident that the "Viper" will return too. I don't think it will be what you're saying, but it will likely be platform shared with a Maserati, and maybe an Alfa halo car of some sort. I'm sure they'll stick with the V10, a DSG is a probable offering.
It may be called a Viper, but I have my doubts it will be a Viper. It likely will be dramatically softened and end up something more akin to an Aston Martin. A fast, luxurious grand touring car, rather than a brash in your face ax wielding maniac of a car that I love so much.
It may be called a Viper, but I have my doubts it will be a Viper. It likely will be dramatically softened and end up something more akin to an Aston Martin. A fast, luxurious grand touring car, rather than a brash in your face ax wielding maniac of a car that I love so much.
07-16-2016, 01:26 PM
#55
Racer
Mountain sized motors are going away, again.... Very surprised with the price of gasoline so low currently. I have been enjoying my old V8's as much as possible because its sure no fun going 12 Mpg when its north of 4$ a Gallon. Paid 1.93 today for the cheap stuff..LONG LIVE CORVETTE!
07-16-2016, 04:16 PM
#56
Race Director
Mountain sized motors are going away, again.... Very surprised with the price of gasoline so low currently. I have been enjoying my old V8's as much as possible because its sure no fun going 12 Mpg when its north of 4$ a Gallon. Paid 1.93 today for the cheap stuff..LONG LIVE CORVETTE!
The biggest issue we have in the US that's hurting V8s is CAFE and the EPA nonsense. Hopefully we get a new administration that removes CAFE and the groups running it, and lets the market dictate what fuel economy is required. We don't need the government intervening in that at all, consumers do a pretty good job of driving fuel economy improvements on their own.
08-14-2016, 05:05 PM
#58
This is the color combination I'm leaning towards.
I can choose any color combination from 8,000 color schemes.
http://www.dodge.com/en/viper/customizer/
Vipers have flawless paint.
I can choose any color combination from 8,000 color schemes.
http://www.dodge.com/en/viper/customizer/
Vipers have flawless paint.
08-14-2016, 05:07 PM
#59
Good luck with that.
Gen IV coupes are selling in the $60-70k range with low miles against a $90-100k MSRP and Gen IV ACR's have been selling in the $70-80k range for the last few years against $105-110k MSRP. Adjusting for inflation, you'll get about 1/2 of your money back in 10-years.
Nobody knows what the Gen V ACR will bring in the future, but the Gen V's have not held strong resale value.
Clearly, your friend doesn't know the Viper resale market.
S.
Gen IV coupes are selling in the $60-70k range with low miles against a $90-100k MSRP and Gen IV ACR's have been selling in the $70-80k range for the last few years against $105-110k MSRP. Adjusting for inflation, you'll get about 1/2 of your money back in 10-years.
Nobody knows what the Gen V ACR will bring in the future, but the Gen V's have not held strong resale value.
Clearly, your friend doesn't know the Viper resale market.
S.
08-14-2016, 05:11 PM
#60
I agree though, it will be back in some form if the economy does not implode that is.