Tesla P100D vs ....
09-21-2016, 06:56 PM
#21
Race Director
The P85D did VIR in 3:17, nearly lost its brakes, and overheated. The Focus RS is $40k, and was 13 seconds a lap faster. It posted the exact same time as a 2012 Jeep SRT8. It was 172 out of 201 total lap times they've done. It was slower than a V6 or Ecoboost Mustang, Genesis Coupe V6, VW GTI, Mazdaspeed3, and a ton of cars would would expect it to be slower than.
For Reference a Panamera Turbo S did it in just under 3:01.
For Reference a Panamera Turbo S did it in just under 3:01.
09-22-2016, 12:36 AM
#22
The P85D did VIR in 3:17, nearly lost its brakes, and overheated. The Focus RS is $40k, and was 13 seconds a lap faster. It posted the exact same time as a 2012 Jeep SRT8. It was 172 out of 201 total lap times they've done. It was slower than a V6 or Ecoboost Mustang, Genesis Coupe V6, VW GTI, Mazdaspeed3, and a ton of cars would would expect it to be slower than.
For Reference a Panamera Turbo S did it in just under 3:01.
For Reference a Panamera Turbo S did it in just under 3:01.
The reason why I ask, is because the P85D has now been surpassed by two other models. The P90D and now the P100D.
09-22-2016, 09:09 PM
#23
Race Director
The funny part is the commenters would talking about how "if they modded the cooling and added liquid cooling for the battery packs it would be faster than yadda yadda". Just funny to me because normally people are like "well if you tuned it or you put slicks on it or whatever it would be the faster". Now tuning is liquid cooling the batteries like it's a computer.
09-22-2016, 09:57 PM
#24
That was this year's Lightning Lap. Think it said it was a 2016? They may have had the wrong number for it or something.
The funny part is the commenters would talking about how "if they modded the cooling and added liquid cooling for the battery packs it would be faster than yadda yadda". Just funny to me because normally people are like "well if you tuned it or you put slicks on it or whatever it would be the faster". Now tuning is liquid cooling the batteries like it's a computer.
The funny part is the commenters would talking about how "if they modded the cooling and added liquid cooling for the battery packs it would be faster than yadda yadda". Just funny to me because normally people are like "well if you tuned it or you put slicks on it or whatever it would be the faster". Now tuning is liquid cooling the batteries like it's a computer.
It's looking like it was a 2015 P85D without Ludicrous.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p-2016-feature
Curious as to why they didn't use a P90D with Luducrous for a 2016 car. They basically ran a year old car.
But whatever it was, a street EV on a road course isn't going to last long in comparison to a gasoline powered vehicle.
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; 09-22-2016 at 10:06 PM.
09-24-2016, 09:26 AM
#25
If it was a 2016, it's unlikely that it have been a P85D, as the P90D came out in around August of 2015 and phased out the P85D shortly thereafter.
It's looking like it was a 2015 P85D without Ludicrous.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p-2016-feature
Curious as to why they didn't use a P90D with Luducrous for a 2016 car. They basically ran a year old car.
But whatever it was, a street EV on a road course isn't going to last long in comparison to a gasoline powered vehicle.
It's looking like it was a 2015 P85D without Ludicrous.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p-2016-feature
Curious as to why they didn't use a P90D with Luducrous for a 2016 car. They basically ran a year old car.
But whatever it was, a street EV on a road course isn't going to last long in comparison to a gasoline powered vehicle.
This isn't the first time a Tesla has had heat issues after more than a few runs. When they tested the Model X it also went into thermal protection mode after a few 1/4 mile runs.
No amount of CF body panels, special tires, or chassis tuning is going to fix that issue. The Tesla, in current form, just isn't an all around sports sedan. No shame in that, it just isn't.
09-28-2016, 01:14 PM
#26
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I had a funny feeling something like this from Tesla would be coming eventually...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...tric-gt-series
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...tric-gt-series
09-28-2016, 06:16 PM
#27
Race Director
I watched a Formula E race once. It only took me one time to realize that it was the most boring attempt at racing I'd ever seen. I'd genuinely rather watch people race hoverounds in a Walmart. Come to think of it, that could be pretty entertaining to watch.
It'll be interesting to see how long that series lasts. I didn't think Formula E was going last past its first season, but apparently I was wrong about that.
It'll be interesting to see how long that series lasts. I didn't think Formula E was going last past its first season, but apparently I was wrong about that.
10-01-2016, 01:55 AM
#29
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
10-02-2016, 07:20 PM
#32
Race Director
If times are changing that businesses don't have to make money anymore, then maybe you're right.
10-02-2016, 08:00 PM
#33
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
How do you figure? Tesla doesn't make money, they BLEED money. They require states to let them bypass the normal rules and laws to NOT make money. Their major income stream is based off selling credits to other automakers because of ridiculous EPA rules.
If times are changing that businesses don't have to make money anymore, then maybe you're right.
If times are changing that businesses don't have to make money anymore, then maybe you're right.
More to the point, I was addressing the fact that some people have issues with change, not just Tesla vehicles, but rather just in general. The change away from the Corvette round tail lights is a good example.
Last edited by Rave; 10-02-2016 at 08:15 PM.
10-02-2016, 10:25 PM
#34
Race Director
I wasn't speaking specifically about Tesla, but yes, normally it does take money, to make money, and as far as I know Tesla hasn't mentioned anything about declaring bankruptcy. If fact, today the News reported Tesla doubled their sales from last year and I expect we'll see their sales number really take off when the Model 3 is ready to roll out the door. Also I applaud Tesla for bucking the normal rules. It's about time.
More to the point, I was addressing the fact that some people have issues with change, not just Tesla vehicles, but rather just in general. The change away from the Corvette round tail lights is a good example.
More to the point, I was addressing the fact that some people have issues with change, not just Tesla vehicles, but rather just in general. The change away from the Corvette round tail lights is a good example.
Electric cars will certainly be a (small) part of the automotive landscape going forward, until they're replaced by fuel cell vehicles. I suspect that Tesla will be one of those makes that ends up disappearing quietly in the face of competition from much larger, and profitable competitors. At this point, pretty much all the major luxury makes are building vehicles for this tiny slice of the market.
Reality is, the future is in Hydrogen fuel cells. That allows for the quick refills that Americans require, and the benefits of electric motors. In a few years, people will look back on plug in electrics like we look on devices like my old GameBoy that required me to replace the AA batteries all the time.
10-02-2016, 10:49 PM
#35
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I had a funny feeling you'd say that! 
I liked the round tail lights too, on the legacy Vettes. And I was happy to see them change.
The reason we see EV sales well out pacing fuel cell vehicles is because it [currently] costs too much to produce hydrogen. Should that change in the future, we might see them but I'll bet we'll see battery technology improve well before then.
I liked the round tail lights too, on the legacy Vettes. And I was happy to see them change.The reason we see EV sales well out pacing fuel cell vehicles is because it [currently] costs too much to produce hydrogen. Should that change in the future, we might see them but I'll bet we'll see battery technology improve well before then.