Tahoe LTZ vs Grand Cherokee
09-29-2016, 12:59 PM
#41
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Dont buy him a Vulva he will never hear the end of it and hate you 
Tahoes are sweet, go for it!
How bout adopting an older son Ill drive the worst one ya got lol
Tahoes are sweet, go for it!
How bout adopting an older son Ill drive the worst one ya got lol
Last edited by cv67; 09-29-2016 at 01:00 PM.
09-29-2016, 01:12 PM
#42
It was in our top 3 - Tahoe LTZ, Volvo XC90, Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Yes it did, at least in every individual category. They give it 5/5 in everything but 4/5 total "because it's an SUV". And SUVs used to roll over a lot before stability control, so they seem to get a deduction. That seems like a lefty political thing (burns oil, who knows, must be bad) so I didn't take that seriously. The individual scores are all good though... even rollover!
Yes it did, at least in every individual category. They give it 5/5 in everything but 4/5 total "because it's an SUV". And SUVs used to roll over a lot before stability control, so they seem to get a deduction. That seems like a lefty political thing (burns oil, who knows, must be bad) so I didn't take that seriously. The individual scores are all good though... even rollover!
Stability control will reduce rollovers for sure, but it can't rewrite the laws of physics. The lower, lighter Volvo will be less prone to rolling over than the Tahoe. It will also have a much better chance of the roof not collapsing after the rollover.
All things being equal, body on frame SUVs still rollover more than car based crossovers.
09-29-2016, 09:13 PM
#43
Melting Slicks
I thought about this, buy him a Jeep Wrangler 4 door for 32k out the door. He will love driving with the top down and hopefully if he was raised right will take care of it and sell it for almost no loss 3 years later. They hold value very well, slow enough to not get him in trouble, and unbeatable 4x4. Also, if he actually likes cars he will start modifying and working on it and hopefully learn something.
09-29-2016, 10:12 PM
#44
Because there's plenty of evidence that a boring, mid sized sedan is much safer than a Tahoe or Jeep Grand Cherokee. And you keep ignoring people posting as such. You also keep talking about "writing a check", etc.
A 2017 Fusion has even more safety equipment and a higher overall crash rating, FYI
A 2017 Fusion has even more safety equipment and a higher overall crash rating, FYI
Broken arm, broken leg and two surgeries to repair tissue from flying debris that came from the door and door panel, she's finally fine. I wish to god that I would have had enough money to buy her a Tahoe! She would have been perfect fine in this instance. I literally have nightmares thinking about it.
The kid that hit her was in an 1996 Chevy pick up, texting btw. He was physically fine.
Size matters. Physics matters. When looking at crash rating remember that they are relative to the SAME weight vehicle. A 5-star Fusion vs a 5-star F-150 is no match.
The signal to noise ratio in OffTopic makes it pretty useless... I asked the same question on Facebook and got a number of helpful and insightful replies. I figured most people here, being CorvetteForum, would have some disposable income and wouldn't get their panties in a knot over a purchase of a pickup truck.
The signal to noise ratio in OffTopic makes it pretty useless... I asked the same question on Facebook and got a number of helpful and insightful replies. I figured most people here, being CorvetteForum, would have some disposable income and wouldn't get their panties in a knot over a purchase of a pickup truck.
If I had a vote, thats what I would get my kids. My 15 year old would totally freak out if I did that. Course she in line to get my wifes Cherokee next year. Then all of us can be afraid!! lol
09-30-2016, 09:10 AM
#45
I don't get half of the posts here. Its apparent this guy is not an idiot. If he was, he probably wouldn't be in a position to buy new cars for his kids. Hell, if I could afford to do that, I would too. As for the Fusion, I won't even go there. I bought a 2015 for my step daughter last year. She was hit in the pass side at approx (according to the cops) 10-15 MPH.
Broken arm, broken leg and two surgeries to repair tissue from flying debris that came from the door and door panel, she's finally fine. I wish to god that I would have had enough money to buy her a Tahoe! She would have been perfect fine in this instance. I literally have nightmares thinking about it.
The kid that hit her was in an 1996 Chevy pick up, texting btw. He was physically fine.
I travel quite a bit for my job. I was in LA a few weeks ago and rented an brand new Tahoe. Frankly, I loved it! I hauled three other guys around in LA traffic for three days. For a big ride, it sure drives like a car. It was great on my beat up back and I was absolutely shocked by the quality. In a good way.
If I had a vote, thats what I would get my kids. My 15 year old would totally freak out if I did that. Course she in line to get my wifes Cherokee next year. Then all of us can be afraid!! lol
Broken arm, broken leg and two surgeries to repair tissue from flying debris that came from the door and door panel, she's finally fine. I wish to god that I would have had enough money to buy her a Tahoe! She would have been perfect fine in this instance. I literally have nightmares thinking about it.
The kid that hit her was in an 1996 Chevy pick up, texting btw. He was physically fine.
I travel quite a bit for my job. I was in LA a few weeks ago and rented an brand new Tahoe. Frankly, I loved it! I hauled three other guys around in LA traffic for three days. For a big ride, it sure drives like a car. It was great on my beat up back and I was absolutely shocked by the quality. In a good way.
If I had a vote, thats what I would get my kids. My 15 year old would totally freak out if I did that. Course she in line to get my wifes Cherokee next year. Then all of us can be afraid!! lol
Yes, in her case, being in a taller vehicle would have served her well. But, what if she was in that taller vehicle, driving home one night, then swerved to avoid a deer and rolled over? It's all about the odds and balancing one kind of safety for another.
10-02-2016, 11:43 PM
#46
Team Owner
Yes it did, at least in every individual category. They give it 5/5 in everything but 4/5 total "because it's an SUV". And SUVs used to roll over a lot before stability control, so they seem to get a deduction. That seems like a lefty political thing (burns oil, who knows, must be bad) so I didn't take that seriously. The individual scores are all good though... even rollover!
10-03-2016, 10:18 AM
#47
Because crash safety is all about odds and statistics. It's not about anecdotal stories (sorry about your step daughter, that sucks). But, the facts are that the big, heavy SUVs are not as safe, in total, when compared to a mid sized, car based SUV or even a big/mid sized sedan in overall safety.
Yes, in her case, being in a taller vehicle would have served her well. But, what if she was in that taller vehicle, driving home one night, then swerved to avoid a deer and rolled over? It's all about the odds and balancing one kind of safety for another.
Yes, in her case, being in a taller vehicle would have served her well. But, what if she was in that taller vehicle, driving home one night, then swerved to avoid a deer and rolled over? It's all about the odds and balancing one kind of safety for another.
I wasn't trying to attack your choice or your advice. Just attempting to point out that, as you eluded to, a lot depends on your situation at the time.
10-03-2016, 11:42 AM
#48
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
To the people saying large SUVs aren't as safe as something else (large sedans?), where's the data on that? I doubt it'll change my decision at this point, but I do like to have all the info...
Last edited by davepl; 10-03-2016 at 11:43 AM.
10-03-2016, 12:23 PM
#49
Let's be honest, your mind was made up when you first posted. I have provided tons of links, star ratings, and stats that show what I've been saying all along. And, not 3 posts above, someone posted about it have 3 stars due to rollover risk. And yet here we are.
10-03-2016, 12:24 PM
#50
I get what your saying. I appreciate the fact that people (And you) on here are truly trying to give good advice. That's one thing I love about this forum. That the vast majority o people on here really try hard to give the best advice they can, with the goal of seriously helping people. Too bad the rest of the world didn't function that way!
I wasn't trying to attack your choice or your advice. Just attempting to point out that, as you eluded to, a lot depends on your situation at the time.
I wasn't trying to attack your choice or your advice. Just attempting to point out that, as you eluded to, a lot depends on your situation at the time.
Vehicle safety is all about playing the odds and stacking them in your favor as best you can
10-03-2016, 12:46 PM
#51
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
why?!
Let's be honest, your mind was made up when you first posted. I have provided tons of links, star ratings, and stats that show what I've been saying all along. And, not 3 posts above, someone posted about it have 3 stars due to rollover risk. And yet here we are.
Let's be honest, your mind was made up when you first posted. I have provided tons of links, star ratings, and stats that show what I've been saying all along. And, not 3 posts above, someone posted about it have 3 stars due to rollover risk. And yet here we are.
The Land Cruiser was a good suggestion. The Volvo XC90 was a good suggestion.
10-07-2016, 06:39 PM
#52
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Decision made!
Unfortunately (for me) I had to buy a reasonably loaded one in order to get the Y66 adaptive cruise option that has the sensor array needed for collision detection. Until they make that a base feature, which I assume they will in a few years, you just don't find it on trucks unless they're well optioned. I know, as we searched GlobalConnect nationally...
In the bottom right corner you can just see the car that -I- was given when I turned 16 (a 1969 Pontiac, my Dad's first new car). I still have it, and it's still like new. Ideally he'll be the same way.
I wound up 10K back of MSRP, or $6000 back of supplier/Costco pricing. That's apparently a pretty good deal unless you're looking at unpopular colors or white fleet vehicles, where you might be able to do better. But for now, $10,000 off was good enough.
Unfortunately (for me) I had to buy a reasonably loaded one in order to get the Y66 adaptive cruise option that has the sensor array needed for collision detection. Until they make that a base feature, which I assume they will in a few years, you just don't find it on trucks unless they're well optioned. I know, as we searched GlobalConnect nationally...
In the bottom right corner you can just see the car that -I- was given when I turned 16 (a 1969 Pontiac, my Dad's first new car). I still have it, and it's still like new. Ideally he'll be the same way.
I wound up 10K back of MSRP, or $6000 back of supplier/Costco pricing. That's apparently a pretty good deal unless you're looking at unpopular colors or white fleet vehicles, where you might be able to do better. But for now, $10,000 off was good enough.
Last edited by davepl; 10-07-2016 at 06:42 PM.
10-07-2016, 06:52 PM
#53
Great looking truck.
10-07-2016, 07:02 PM
#54
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Thanks! We now have a 2015 Z06, 2015 Silverado, 2015 Escalade ESV, and a 2016 Tahoe. GM is building some nice units, and I've been buying them on their merits - not because I only buy GM or anything like that. My own daily drivers are a Range Rover and a BMW, so I have lots of exposure to other marques.
I even saw a nice looking Malibu or Impala today (not sure which it was). Who'd have thought that 10 years ago?
I even saw a nice looking Malibu or Impala today (not sure which it was). Who'd have thought that 10 years ago?
Last edited by davepl; 10-07-2016 at 07:03 PM.
10-07-2016, 09:41 PM
#55
Team Owner
Decision made!
Unfortunately (for me) I had to buy a reasonably loaded one in order to get the Y66 adaptive cruise option that has the sensor array needed for collision detection. Until they make that a base feature, which I assume they will in a few years, you just don't find it on trucks unless they're well optioned. I know, as we searched GlobalConnect nationally...
In the bottom right corner you can just see the car that -I- was given when I turned 16 (a 1969 Pontiac, my Dad's first new car). I still have it, and it's still like new. Ideally he'll be the same way.
I wound up 10K back of MSRP, or $6000 back of supplier/Costco pricing. That's apparently a pretty good deal unless you're looking at unpopular colors or white fleet vehicles, where you might be able to do better. But for now, $10,000 off was good enough.
Unfortunately (for me) I had to buy a reasonably loaded one in order to get the Y66 adaptive cruise option that has the sensor array needed for collision detection. Until they make that a base feature, which I assume they will in a few years, you just don't find it on trucks unless they're well optioned. I know, as we searched GlobalConnect nationally...
In the bottom right corner you can just see the car that -I- was given when I turned 16 (a 1969 Pontiac, my Dad's first new car). I still have it, and it's still like new. Ideally he'll be the same way.
I wound up 10K back of MSRP, or $6000 back of supplier/Costco pricing. That's apparently a pretty good deal unless you're looking at unpopular colors or white fleet vehicles, where you might be able to do better. But for now, $10,000 off was good enough.
Are those mud flaps? We're those dealer installed or did you buy them? They look a little more low key than many of the ones I've seen.
10-07-2016, 10:54 PM
#56
Decision made!
Unfortunately (for me) I had to buy a reasonably loaded one in order to get the Y66 adaptive cruise option that has the sensor array needed for collision detection. Until they make that a base feature, which I assume they will in a few years, you just don't find it on trucks unless they're well optioned. I know, as we searched GlobalConnect nationally...
In the bottom right corner you can just see the car that -I- was given when I turned 16 (a 1969 Pontiac, my Dad's first new car). I still have it, and it's still like new. Ideally he'll be the same way.
I wound up 10K back of MSRP, or $6000 back of supplier/Costco pricing. That's apparently a pretty good deal unless you're looking at unpopular colors or white fleet vehicles, where you might be able to do better. But for now, $10,000 off was good enough.
Unfortunately (for me) I had to buy a reasonably loaded one in order to get the Y66 adaptive cruise option that has the sensor array needed for collision detection. Until they make that a base feature, which I assume they will in a few years, you just don't find it on trucks unless they're well optioned. I know, as we searched GlobalConnect nationally...
In the bottom right corner you can just see the car that -I- was given when I turned 16 (a 1969 Pontiac, my Dad's first new car). I still have it, and it's still like new. Ideally he'll be the same way.
I wound up 10K back of MSRP, or $6000 back of supplier/Costco pricing. That's apparently a pretty good deal unless you're looking at unpopular colors or white fleet vehicles, where you might be able to do better. But for now, $10,000 off was good enough.
The last thing I need is my latest soon to be driver (15) Thinking that this is the standard for all new drivers. lol She already thinks she should get a vette for her first car. God help us all.
10-11-2016, 09:56 AM
#58
Race Director
The safety features that are on the LTZ vs the LS will not help much in the offset crash worry you are talking about. If someone veers into your lane even if the systems react in time you are talking about braking off a few MPH of the difference. Shoot even if it could stop instantly if the other vehicle is going 50 and smashes into you...
But you could have got a Gallardo for not much more about $80k. It can turn much better to get out of the way haha.
Why so much angst about the notion of buying a Chevy for a kid? Why the leap from there to "might as well buy him a BMW" and "stroking Dad's ego" and "writing the check to fell better" and all of the slams? I'm asking about a Tahoe, not a Gallardo.
Apparently I'm the first guy on earth that ever thought a new teen driver could benefit from having a heavy, well-built vehicle with the latest safety features.
Apparently I'm the first guy on earth that ever thought a new teen driver could benefit from having a heavy, well-built vehicle with the latest safety features.
Last edited by rgregory; 10-11-2016 at 09:59 AM.
10-11-2016, 10:57 AM
#60
VOLVO makes some damn good rides, contrary to what you think. I've owned a 1990 wagon for 16 years. Bought it off the original owner with 111,000 after he had it 10 years. It's now got over 300,000. If your interested, bring your vette or something over and we'll crash them into each other and see who's better off. My old neighbor before he passed was a Specialist in Traffic Accident Reconstruction, after he had retired as a State Police Captain. When I brought the Volvo home as my winter & work vehicle he was as giddy as a 10 year old. He told me so many stories about back in the day with them. I felt even better about what I bought. They're not not pretty, they're not fast and repairs are costly. But involving an accident or being in one....your in damn good shape v.s. Pretty much anything on wheels.
Last edited by Orange Skullz; 10-11-2016 at 02:45 PM.