2016 or 2017 SS
01-05-2017, 09:11 AM
#1
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
2016 or 2017 SS
I like quirky cars and this seems right up my ally. V8 sedan with good performance. But I cant find any dealers who even have them in stock.
Anyone know if the bigger dealers even carry these? Looking for a nice big discount if I buy one because obviously the resale value would be in the toilet.
Anyone know if the bigger dealers even carry these? Looking for a nice big discount if I buy one because obviously the resale value would be in the toilet.
01-05-2017, 10:11 AM
#2
http://www.myronss.com/
This guy seems to be about the best bet.
I'd also look long and hard at a low mileage 2015. You get the magnetic shocks and save about $15k off new
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=142950898
This guy seems to be about the best bet.
I'd also look long and hard at a low mileage 2015. You get the magnetic shocks and save about $15k off new
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=142950898
01-05-2017, 11:56 AM
#3
My friend has a 2016 (auto) and it is very fun to drive. Much like an E39M5.
01-05-2017, 12:21 PM
#4
Drifting
I've been looking for a new one and the 2017's aren't at the dealers yet. Very few 2016's are left and they are only automatics. I missed out when they were 20% off, it seems like publications have really been pushing these cars lately so I'd be surprised if they are discounted again. Also the invoice price is only a few hundred bucks under msrp.
01-05-2017, 07:31 PM
#5
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
I've been looking for a new one and the 2017's aren't at the dealers yet. Very few 2016's are left and they are only automatics. I missed out when they were 20% off, it seems like publications have really been pushing these cars lately so I'd be surprised if they are discounted again. Also the invoice price is only a few hundred bucks under msrp.
01-05-2017, 09:57 PM
#6
Race Director
I like the SS also...but it's more money than I want to spend for a sedan right now.
Produced by Holden (GM) in Australia...and 2017 might be the last m-y of production for the marque.
Produced by Holden (GM) in Australia...and 2017 might be the last m-y of production for the marque.
01-14-2017, 08:29 PM
#8
Myron seems to be a good guy, and sells a bunch of them.
I love my SS Sedan.
Much better daily driver than my Corvettes and my 2016 Camaro SS.
01-15-2017, 09:21 PM
#9
Race Director
The SS is a great car. Real shame the 2017 is the last year. It also looks like they got rid of the nice alcantara type interior and replaced with full leather.
The ideal combo would be 6 speed but no mag ride, sadly we never got that. The first year had no mag ride but was auto only. After that the mag ride because mandatory.
The ideal combo would be 6 speed but no mag ride, sadly we never got that. The first year had no mag ride but was auto only. After that the mag ride because mandatory.
01-16-2017, 09:24 AM
#10
The SS is a great car. Real shame the 2017 is the last year. It also looks like they got rid of the nice alcantara type interior and replaced with full leather.
The ideal combo would be 6 speed but no mag ride, sadly we never got that. The first year had no mag ride but was auto only. After that the mag ride because mandatory.
The ideal combo would be 6 speed but no mag ride, sadly we never got that. The first year had no mag ride but was auto only. After that the mag ride because mandatory.
01-16-2017, 04:02 PM
#11
Race Director
I think it's stupid. It's just one more thing that will go wrong, and eventually you will not be able to find the parts for it. My C4 has the adjustable suspension (ffar less advanced), and the shocks for it have been nearly impossible to find forever. At least that system can be bypassed easily, but with newer generations of cars with mag ride, that is less the case. Those cars become disposable once those parts are gone.
Plus, it's just not something I would spend money on. It's trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. If you tune your suspension right, you get grip and comfort without the need for mag ride. It's like an eLSD, a mechanical one works fine, costs less, and is easier to service and repair.
GM has really never been that great at product planning for these imported holdens. The G8 was very much the same, a great car let down by some terrible product planning decisions.
Plus, it's just not something I would spend money on. It's trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. If you tune your suspension right, you get grip and comfort without the need for mag ride. It's like an eLSD, a mechanical one works fine, costs less, and is easier to service and repair.
GM has really never been that great at product planning for these imported holdens. The G8 was very much the same, a great car let down by some terrible product planning decisions.
01-16-2017, 06:45 PM
#12
I think it's stupid. It's just one more thing that will go wrong, and eventually you will not be able to find the parts for it. My C4 has the adjustable suspension (ffar less advanced), and the shocks for it have been nearly impossible to find forever. At least that system can be bypassed easily, but with newer generations of cars with mag ride, that is less the case. Those cars become disposable once those parts are gone.
Plus, it's just not something I would spend money on. It's trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. If you tune your suspension right, you get grip and comfort without the need for mag ride. It's like an eLSD, a mechanical one works fine, costs less, and is easier to service and repair.
GM has really never been that great at product planning for these imported holdens. The G8 was very much the same, a great car let down by some terrible product planning decisions.
Plus, it's just not something I would spend money on. It's trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. If you tune your suspension right, you get grip and comfort without the need for mag ride. It's like an eLSD, a mechanical one works fine, costs less, and is easier to service and repair.
GM has really never been that great at product planning for these imported holdens. The G8 was very much the same, a great car let down by some terrible product planning decisions.
Mag ride shocks have been around for over a decade and are readily available still, even for mid 2000s cars. They are also a performance revelation and allow almost magical tuning, on the fly. You can't "tune your suspension" as the road changes and only about 0.0001% of drivers are going to tune their own shocks, that's just silly.
Same with the eDiffs. They trim serious time off laps and really increase performance and handling. They aren't putting them on for fun.
I actually thought you knew something legit wrong with them.
Basing purchase decisions on what you'll need to restore/maintain in 30-40 years is irrational to be honest
Last edited by lionsfan5454; 01-16-2017 at 06:50 PM.
01-18-2017, 08:18 PM
#14
Race Director
Ok, so no real reasons. Got it
Mag ride shocks have been around for over a decade and are readily available still, even for mid 2000s cars. They are also a performance revelation and allow almost magical tuning, on the fly. You can't "tune your suspension" as the road changes and only about 0.0001% of drivers are going to tune their own shocks, that's just silly.
Same with the eDiffs. They trim serious time off laps and really increase performance and handling. They aren't putting them on for fun.
I actually thought you knew something legit wrong with them.
Basing purchase decisions on what you'll need to restore/maintain in 30-40 years is irrational to be honest
Mag ride shocks have been around for over a decade and are readily available still, even for mid 2000s cars. They are also a performance revelation and allow almost magical tuning, on the fly. You can't "tune your suspension" as the road changes and only about 0.0001% of drivers are going to tune their own shocks, that's just silly.
Same with the eDiffs. They trim serious time off laps and really increase performance and handling. They aren't putting them on for fun.
I actually thought you knew something legit wrong with them.
Basing purchase decisions on what you'll need to restore/maintain in 30-40 years is irrational to be honest
I wouldn't go as far as saying "iit's a performance revelation". It's nice, but for me personally not worth the added expense. I also have a very different view on what is an acceptable ride quality, as I daily drive an STI, which in terms of the car mags is like riding in a tumbler full of rocks. From my perspective, the long wheelbase, stiff chassis, and relatively soft suspension handle the bumps just fine without any mag ride. I'd rather that money be spent on a more rowdy exhaust, or more tires to burnout.
Is the mag ride objectively better? Probably, as you said the car adapts to the roads. Same for the eLSD, it does some of the work for you. But the eLSD saps some of the fun of doing it yourself out and removes some of that analog feel cars used to have. The Mag ride adds cost, and complexity, and solves a non exists to problem. People didn't complain about the ride in old sport sedans, they had a nice ride and handled great because of a good chassis and the engineers designing the suspension tune well.
And I think that's where GM fails with this car every time. They don't get who wants to buy it. They have a car that is for all ontents, a larger E39 M5. The E39 M5 was great because of its overall package. I think people who liked the E39 M5 would buy the SS, if it was just a little more rowdy and a little less plush.
In a world where you can get more power for less money with an even nicer interior in the 392 Charger, the SS had to deliver even more fun. And it didnt, it just delivered a stick, for a small amount of buyers.
Last edited by FAUEE; 01-18-2017 at 08:21 PM.
01-19-2017, 10:47 AM
#15
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Since I started this thread might as well update it. Couldn't find a 2017 on any dealers lot. And very little discounts on existing new leftover 2016's. In the process of buying a 2017 Coupe 1LT. Should have it the first week of Feb.
Would of most likely bought an SS if the price were right. But not paying as much as our new Corvette costs.
Would of most likely bought an SS if the price were right. But not paying as much as our new Corvette costs.
01-19-2017, 11:42 AM
#16
Melting Slicks
Since I started this thread might as well update it. Couldn't find a 2017 on any dealers lot. And very little discounts on existing new leftover 2016's. In the process of buying a 2017 Coupe 1LT. Should have it the first week of Feb.
Would of most likely bought an SS if the price were right. But not paying as much as our new Corvette costs.
Would of most likely bought an SS if the price were right. But not paying as much as our new Corvette costs.
Bill
Last edited by silversport; 01-19-2017 at 11:43 AM.
01-23-2017, 12:49 PM
#18
Well, more like 20 years. But yes for the first few owners it doesn't matter.
I wouldn't go as far as saying "iit's a performance revelation". It's nice, but for me personally not worth the added expense. I also have a very different view on what is an acceptable ride quality, as I daily drive an STI, which in terms of the car mags is like riding in a tumbler full of rocks. From my perspective, the long wheelbase, stiff chassis, and relatively soft suspension handle the bumps just fine without any mag ride. I'd rather that money be spent on a more rowdy exhaust, or more tires to burnout.
Is the mag ride objectively better? Probably, as you said the car adapts to the roads. Same for the eLSD, it does some of the work for you. But the eLSD saps some of the fun of doing it yourself out and removes some of that analog feel cars used to have. The Mag ride adds cost, and complexity, and solves a non exists to problem. People didn't complain about the ride in old sport sedans, they had a nice ride and handled great because of a good chassis and the engineers designing the suspension tune well.
And I think that's where GM fails with this car every time. They don't get who wants to buy it. They have a car that is for all ontents, a larger E39 M5. The E39 M5 was great because of its overall package. I think people who liked the E39 M5 would buy the SS, if it was just a little more rowdy and a little less plush.
In a world where you can get more power for less money with an even nicer interior in the 392 Charger, the SS had to deliver even more fun. And it didnt, it just delivered a stick, for a small amount of buyers.
I wouldn't go as far as saying "iit's a performance revelation". It's nice, but for me personally not worth the added expense. I also have a very different view on what is an acceptable ride quality, as I daily drive an STI, which in terms of the car mags is like riding in a tumbler full of rocks. From my perspective, the long wheelbase, stiff chassis, and relatively soft suspension handle the bumps just fine without any mag ride. I'd rather that money be spent on a more rowdy exhaust, or more tires to burnout.
Is the mag ride objectively better? Probably, as you said the car adapts to the roads. Same for the eLSD, it does some of the work for you. But the eLSD saps some of the fun of doing it yourself out and removes some of that analog feel cars used to have. The Mag ride adds cost, and complexity, and solves a non exists to problem. People didn't complain about the ride in old sport sedans, they had a nice ride and handled great because of a good chassis and the engineers designing the suspension tune well.
And I think that's where GM fails with this car every time. They don't get who wants to buy it. They have a car that is for all ontents, a larger E39 M5. The E39 M5 was great because of its overall package. I think people who liked the E39 M5 would buy the SS, if it was just a little more rowdy and a little less plush.
In a world where you can get more power for less money with an even nicer interior in the 392 Charger, the SS had to deliver even more fun. And it didnt, it just delivered a stick, for a small amount of buyers.