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Old 03-19-2008, 04:21 AM   #1
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Tuesday, March 18, 2008
Toyota fights Ontario union vote
Automaker will challenge Machinists, which filed an unfair labor practices claim against the company.
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Toyota Motor Corp. engaged in unfair labor practices to sway workers at an Ontario plant where a representation election may be held this week, the Machinists union said in a complaint to the provincial government.

Communications sent to workers at the Cambridge, Ontario, factory "crossed the line set by the law, which prevents employers from intimidating and unduly influencing employees to vote against a union," the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers said in a statement Monday.

The complaint was filed with Ontario's Labour Relations Board, union spokesman Bill Trbovich said. The vote is tentatively set for Thursday, union organizer Ian Morland said in a Friday interview.

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The Machinists union is attempting to become the first labor group in the United States or Canada to win representation at an assembly plant wholly owned by Toyota, Honda Motor Co., Nissan Motor Co. or Hyundai Motor Co. In the United States, the United Auto Workers failed in past efforts at Toyota's Georgetown, Ky., plant and Nissan's Smyrna, Tenn., factory.

Toyota, the largest Japanese automaker, said Saturday that it planned to "challenge the union to prove that they have enough signed cards and will request the vote be sealed" until Ontario labor officials rule on the matter.

Pat Clement, a spokeswoman in Canada for the Toyota City, Japan-based company, declined to comment on the union complaint.

The Machinists union filed last Thursday for a vote for 3,100 of the plant's workers with Ontario's Labour Ministry. The factory employs 5,059 people, according to the company's Web site.

Machinists organizers began collecting cards from Cambridge workers in November indicating whether they supported union representation. More than 40 percent of cards turned in were in favor, Morland said.

The Ontario board will hold a secret-ballot election if at least 40 percent are in favor, agency spokesman Voy Stelmaszynski said in a telephone interview.

The Cambridge plant builds Corolla and Matrix small cars, Lexus RX 350 sport-utility vehicles and four-cylinder engines. Toyota is building a second assembly plant in Woodstock, Ontario, that will make RAV4 SUVs when it opens next year.

The UAW represents workers at New United Motor Manufacturing Inc., a joint-venture assembly plant in Fremont, Calif., that Toyota operates with General Motors Corp.

Toyota's American depositary receipts fell $1.08 to $99.20 Monday. They have declined 6.6 percent this year.
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Old 03-19-2008, 06:41 AM   #2
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Sounds about right.

Management gets cheap so they can make their bonus.

As a result quality slips at Toyota so sales have started to slide.

Workers get nervous and collectivize.

But let's get some union bashing going in here.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:16 AM   #3
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The union concept in itself is not a bad one.

The implementation however is the problem.

Protect everyone at any cost leads to poor quality and a workforce who see's no results for any effort they extert beyond the bare minimum.

I know John is a big union proponent but John do you work by yourself? Own your own business? Even though you are in a union are you responsible for your own quality of work?

Its not like that in an auto company, you can sit and do nothing and still get paid and it happens everyday. That is where the union does not step up and clean house.
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The union concept in itself is not a bad one.

Protect everyone at any cost leads to poor quality and a workforce who see's no results for any effort they extert beyond the bare minimum.

You've just described the management team where I work.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:28 AM   #5
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I would hope that the Toyota Management would consider moving their plant here, to Louisiana, a Right to Work State. With our new Governor, new ethics laws, assistance to improve secondary technical education, and recinded taxes on corporations I'm sure it would be mutually profitable.
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I would hope that the Toyota Management would consider moving their plant here, to Louisiana, a Right to Work State. With our new Governor, new ethics laws, assistance to improve secondary technical education, and recinded taxes on corporations I'm sure it would be mutually profitable.
And good for Toyota if they do.

Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi. All good places for a company that wants less oppression to set up shop.
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And good for Toyota if they do.

Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi. All good places for a company that wants less oppression to set up shop.
all great for low wages also
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The union concept in itself is not a bad one.

The implementation however is the problem.

Protect everyone at any cost leads to poor quality and a workforce who see's no results for any effort they extert beyond the bare minimum.

I know John is a big union proponent but John do you work by yourself? Own your own business? Even though you are in a union are you responsible for your own quality of work?

Its not like that in an auto company, you can sit and do nothing and still get paid and it happens everyday. That is where the union does not step up and clean house.

Yes, I am a union masonry contractor and have employed up to 80 people in 4-5 different locations at once. Yes I bid the work, run the work with help, and do collection of money and quality control. That is hard as some employees are always transferring due to varying work loads of the company.
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all great for low wages also
Lower compared to Ontario, but good wage for those states. All economies are not the same, and $25 per hour might suck in Ontario, where studio apartments rent for $2500 per month, but it's a good wage in Louisiana, where a 4BR house rents for a third of that.

What better way to have the economy of Louisiana get bigger and stronger than to have companies move there looking for lower costs, thus providing jobs and pumping money into the local economy the right way - according to supply and demand in the free market?
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Really don't understand why this plant would want a union. Whatever the big 3 companies settle as a union contract wage, Toyota give that exact same wage to it's employees the same year.

There are write up's almost everyday in the paper about this, alot of employees sent letters to the papers editor, that are against the union. Most complain with a union they will only be able to advance in ranks with the company by senority, instead of their work merit's, so I guess we will see what the outcome is. I think it silly, the average wage is $36.00 per hour at the Cambridge plant, but for some it may not be a money issue.
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John,

My point is, in automotive, that most of the union workforce has expectations of entitlement.

Even though you are in a union you only put food on the table when you do a good job, that is totally untrue in the automotive enviroment.

Your views of a wide spread union of independent contractors a lot of times does not apply to the reality of a work place style union.
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My point is, in automotive, that most of the union workforce has expectations of entitlement.

Even though you are in a union you only put food on the table when you do a good job, that is totally untrue in the automotive enviroment.

Your views of a wide spread union of independent contractors a lot of times does not apply to the reality of a work place style union.
only put food on the table when I do a good job? What does that mean?

Entitlements expected? Yes they work and I pay them the agreeded wage package. What is the difference?
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Really don't understand why this plant would want a union. Whatever the big 3 companies settle as a union contract wage, Toyota give that exact same wage to it's employees the same year.

There are write up's almost everyday in the paper about this, alot of employees sent letters to the papers editor, that are against the union. Most complain with a union they will only be able to advance in ranks with the company by senority, instead of their work merit's, so I guess we will see what the outcome is. I think it silly, the average wage is $36.00 per hour at the Cambridge plant, but for some it may not be a money issue.
Plant / Toyota doesn't want a union they are fighting it.
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Lower compared to Ontario, but good wage for those states. All economies are not the same, and $25 per hour might suck in Ontario, where studio apartments rent for $2500 per month, but it's a good wage in Louisiana, where a 4BR house rents for a third of that.

What better way to have the economy of Louisiana get bigger and stronger than to have companies move there looking for lower costs, thus providing jobs and pumping money into the local economy the right way - according to supply and demand in the free market?
better way would be higher education and less corruption in Louisiana
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Current big US unions suck.
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Unions are a business thats been losing customers. They'll do just about anything to keep from going under.
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I would hope that the Toyota Management would consider moving their plant here, to Louisiana, a Right to Work State. With our new Governor, new ethics laws, assistance to improve secondary technical education, and recinded taxes on corporations I'm sure it would be mutually profitable.


They could build a knew model, the Crawfish, it boils over, drives backwards and flaps the doors at you.
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all great for low wages also
Free market wages.
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