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Old 06-17-2012, 10:49 AM   #1
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After doing some research, it seems that there are no limits on EOs. If the President signs it, it carries the full force of law.

But there has to be limits. What if the President signs an EO making it legal to shoot tall people on sight? Would that be legal?

In the military a soldier does not have to obey an illegal order. What about an illegal EO in the civilian world? If ICE does not follow the law (because of the illegal immigrant EO), could they be held accountable?
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:04 AM   #2
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EO's only apply to those agencies that are part of the Executive Branch. And they only apply (supposedly) to those agency's rules and regs
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EO's only apply to those agencies that are part of the Executive Branch. And they only apply (supposedly) to those agency's rules and regs
Didn't Obama move Homeland Security under the Executive Branch when he took office?
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never saw the "rightwing concern" over this....hypocrites....

Administration of George W. Bush (2001-2009)

Disposition of Executive orders signed by President George W. Bush:
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2009 - E.O. 13484 - E.O. 13488 (5 Executive orders issued)
2008 - E.O. 13454 - E.O. 13483 (30 Executive orders issued)
2007 - E.O. 13422 - E.O. 13453 (32 Executive orders issued)
2006 - E.O. 13395 - E.O. 13421 (27 Executive orders issued)
2005 - E.O. 13369 - E.O. 13394 (26 Executive orders issued)
2004 - E.O. 13324 - E.O. 13368 (45 Executive orders issued)
2003 - E.O. 13283 - E.O. 13323 (41 Executive orders issued)
2002 - E.O. 13252 - E.O. 13282 (31 Executive orders issued)
2001 - E.O. 13198 - E.O. 13251 (54 Executive orders issued)

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291 Total Executive orders Issued


http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...ers/wbush.html
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:30 AM   #5
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never saw the "rightwing concern" over this....hypocrites....

Administration of George W. Bush (2001-2009)

Disposition of Executive orders signed by President George W. Bush:
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2009 - E.O. 13484 - E.O. 13488 (5 Executive orders issued)
2008 - E.O. 13454 - E.O. 13483 (30 Executive orders issued)
2007 - E.O. 13422 - E.O. 13453 (32 Executive orders issued)
2006 - E.O. 13395 - E.O. 13421 (27 Executive orders issued)
2005 - E.O. 13369 - E.O. 13394 (26 Executive orders issued)
2004 - E.O. 13324 - E.O. 13368 (45 Executive orders issued)
2003 - E.O. 13283 - E.O. 13323 (41 Executive orders issued)
2002 - E.O. 13252 - E.O. 13282 (31 Executive orders issued)
2001 - E.O. 13198 - E.O. 13251 (54 Executive orders issued)

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291 Total Executive orders Issued


http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...ers/wbush.html
Name a single one that was done for the reasons the Prick in Chiefİ did ("because Congress wouldn't") or one that flew in the face of the Constitution.

You and your looney spin are seriously pathetic....
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Name a single one that was done for the reasons the Prick in Chiefİ did ("because Congress wouldn't") or one that flew in the face of the Constitution.

You and your looney spin are seriously pathetic....
Or even cite a few spicific examples and why he has an issue with them...
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Name a single one that was done for the reasons the Prick in Chiefİ did ("because Congress wouldn't") or one that flew in the face of the Constitution.

You and your looney spin are seriously pathetic....
Bush was your Prick in Chief.....do your own homework....
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Or even cite a few spicific examples and why he has an issue with them...
I have an issue with ALL EOs, as should every American who believes in Democracy. POTUS Bush issued several EOs that I would consider against the Constitution, but that is not my point. The fact a President can establish policy without Congress is beyond the Constitution. The agencies that the EOs are directing to change policy/procedure are also beyond the Constitution in many cases, as the fed.gov isn't to have that power in the first place. We are a nation being herded.
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Figures you'd weasel out of it
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Congress can shoot them down with a 2/3 vote.

And I believe the SCOTUS can challenge them on Constitutional grounds.

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I have an issue with ALL EOs, as should every American who believes in Democracy. POTUS Bush issued several EOs that I would consider against the Constitution, but that is not my point. The fact a President can establish policy without Congress is beyond the Constitution. The agencies that the EOs are directing to change policy/procedure are also beyond the Constitution in many cases, as the fed.gov isn't to have that power in the first place. We are a nation being herded.
The idea behind a EO is for the president to run his department, much the same way a CEO runs his business. They are supposed to be limited by federal law, the Constitution, things like that. In practice, especially with Obama, it seems like they're used as divine commandments from on high.

Bottom line is Congress needs to start doing their friggin job instead of standing around and letting the president walk all over them.

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Figures you'd weasel out of it
so says the "slacker"......
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The idea behind a EO is for the president to run his department, much the same way a CEO runs his business. They are supposed to be limited by federal law, the Constitution, things like that. In practice, especially with Obama, it seems like they're used as divine commandments from on high.

Bottom line is Congress needs to start doing their friggin job instead of standing around and letting the president walk all over them.
The scope of EOs is well beyond that aspect. They should really have clearly established limits or be removed from the Executive branches list of powers. Like everything else, they have been abused and are not used for their purpose anymore.
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EO's are a direct violation of the Constitution.
Yet every POTUS uses them.

OMG is the first to use them as threats and apply his dick-tator like approach to Socialism.
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After doing some research, it seems that there are no limits on EOs. If the President signs it, it carries the full force of law.

But there has to be limits.
Apparently not.......



291 Total Executive orders Issued before Obama became president by the previous administration for reference material......
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The biggest limit on EO's is time. They can be thrown in the trash bin with the stroke of a pen by his successor.
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One side is asking about subject matter and the other side counters with name calling and numbers. Sometimes I wonder if some of you **** in your pants if someone doesn't tell you how to operate your zipper.
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One side is asking about subject matter and the other side counters with name calling and numbers.
No, you're wrong.....

The thread title and subject matter speak to EO's and limits......


If you don't like the answers given, complain to the OP......
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291 Total Executive orders Issued before Obama became president by the previous administration for reference material......
In other words 85 Dave....deflectshuuuuuunn
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never saw the "rightwing concern" over this....hypocrites....

Administration of George W. Bush (2001-2009)

Disposition of Executive orders signed by President George W. Bush:
Subject Index


2009 - E.O. 13484 - E.O. 13488 (5 Executive orders issued)
2008 - E.O. 13454 - E.O. 13483 (30 Executive orders issued)
2007 - E.O. 13422 - E.O. 13453 (32 Executive orders issued)
2006 - E.O. 13395 - E.O. 13421 (27 Executive orders issued)
2005 - E.O. 13369 - E.O. 13394 (26 Executive orders issued)
2004 - E.O. 13324 - E.O. 13368 (45 Executive orders issued)
2003 - E.O. 13283 - E.O. 13323 (41 Executive orders issued)
2002 - E.O. 13252 - E.O. 13282 (31 Executive orders issued)
2001 - E.O. 13198 - E.O. 13251 (54 Executive orders issued)

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291 Total Executive orders Issued


http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...ers/wbush.html
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291 Total Executive orders Issued before Obama became president by the previous administration for reference material......
You two brain dead posters need to do some research into the basis and limits of EO's - NOT Wiki, go to the .gov site

Oh, post back when you gain some knowledge on this subject and it penetrates into the remaining functioning gray matter between your ears.
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