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Old 10-17-2012, 08:10 AM   #21
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Come on...this is ridiculous. I don't like Obama anymore than most on here, but there was only one reason why gas prices fell off the table in late 08 and 09....no one was buying gasoline. The world economies were in free fall. People weren't driving. Oil was what, in the low 30's per barrel? Simple supply and demand.
Exactly and the data can be found on the internet.
There are people that are so rigid in their fallacious beliefs, that stimuli differing from what their synapses are used to, overloads their senses, and causes chaos to their thought patterns.
In other words the person is narrow minded.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:38 AM   #22
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Exactly and the data can be found on the internet.
There are people that are so rigid in their fallacious beliefs, that stimuli differing from what their synapses are used to, overloads their senses, and causes chaos to their thought patterns.
In other words the person is narrow minded.
Economics is what it is. Obama was very disingenuous when he talks of an energy policy. He has none and has really been anything but an advocate of new sources of fossil fuels. Permitting under Obama fell through the floor relative to Bush. Some of this might have been based on a weak economy, but no longer. Oil demand has gone back up.

The US has vast reserves of fossil fuels. Promoting the use of what we have at home allows for economic growth at home as well as having strong geopolitical ramifications abroad, particularly in the middle east.

Having said that, I believe that $4 gas is probably the new norm.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:43 AM   #23
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Obama could have taken measures to keep energy prices down when he took office, which would have stimulated our industrial economy. It would have taken more pressure off of individuals directly by allowing them to pay less for gasoline, and it would have resulted in lower prices for the goods and services that consumers pay for, giving people more discretionary income and at least to some small degree allowing employers to hire more people. It would have reduced the cost to the taxpayer of all the things our government does as well...

He had the chance, but he did none of that. He allowed 62% fewer drilling permits just in the Gulf of Mexico alone, stalled the Keystone Pipeline, has shut down coal powerplants, etc.,etc., all in the nebulous name of 'saving the planet' which in reality he couldn't care less about.

Above all, Barack Hussein Obama knows this: that when American individuals are economically independent, they are politically a powerful force, and when they see the inevitable success of applied capitalism they tend to VOTE for MORE capitalism. He and his ilk therefore will always legislate and govern in such a way as to keep energy prices as high as they possibly can in order to minimize this potential threat to their existence from the voting public. They constantly pander to their liberal base, citing 'environmental' concerns, and BS'ing the gullible public into thinking that astronomical CAFE standards are what the country needs when in reality the American consumer/taxpayer/VOTER needs the exact opposite of what they're shilling.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Bush presidency was not destroyed by his engaging in two wars or by the economic collapse of 2008. It was destroyed by all the liberals (notice I did not distinguish between democrat or republican) in the senate that repeatedly stalled his energy initiatives which kept energy prices high and put the downward pressure on our economy that eventually CAUSED the 2008 economic crash.

This isn't happening in spite of Obama's efforts to prevent it. It is happening because he and his political allies wanted it to happen and THEY CAUSED IT TO HAPPEN.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:55 AM   #24
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Come on...this is ridiculous. I don't like Obama anymore than most on here, but there was only one reason why gas prices fell off the table in late 08 and 09....no one was buying gasoline. The world economies were in free fall. People weren't driving. Oil was what, in the low 30's per barrel? Simple supply and demand.
How or why the price at the pump was $1.82 when Obama took office is not the point...the economy is worse now than then and look at the pump prices currently...that's the point and why Obama looked so foolish going down that road...

Obama's energy policy clearly is a big factor in pump prices today...not to mention fuel oil, electric, water/sewer and groceries...I threw up in my mouth a little every time he crowed how much he was working for the middle class...meanwhile his energy and healthcare policies are killing us...
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I thought Obama probably missed a huge opportunity to counter ina different way. Fact is gas prices kept rising all the way to $4 towards the end of Bush's admin. They have been volatile for 6 years atleast. When gas prices were at $4 back during the bush days, the dems brought it up in PRC, Blaming Bush. But the popular reply from many members back then was that the POTUS cannot affect gas prices. Gee, I wonder if i should search for that link for the 100th time?
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:29 PM   #26
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He allowed 62% fewer drilling permits just in the Gulf of Mexico alone, stalled the Keystone Pipeline, has shut down coal powerplants, etc.,etc., all in the nebulous name of 'saving the planet' which in reality he couldn't care less about.
And do you remember why there were fewer drilling permits just in the Gulf of Mexico? Hint:
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And it wasn't just Obama:
"On 3 May California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger withdrew his support for a proposed plan to allow expanded offshore drilling projects in California. On 8 July, Florida Governor Charlie Crist called for a special session of the state legislature to draft an amendment to the state constitution banning offshore drilling in state waters, which the legislature rejected on 20 July."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwat...izon_oil_spill

As for Romney's claim that "coal jobs are not up," that appears to be false.
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"In contrast to the pervasive 'war on coal' rhetoric, recently released data from the Energy Information Administration (EIA) and the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) provide no evidence that EPA actions are leading to job losses in the Appalachian coal industry.
In 2011, the number of coal mining jobs in Appalachia reached its highest level since 1997 despite a dramatic decline in the use of coal in favor of less expensive natural gas for electricity generation over the same period. Notably, employment was up 6% since the Obama
Administration announced more stringent 'Enhanced Coordination Procedures' for permitting of mountaintop removal mines in June, 2009.
While layoffs are occurring and may be accelerating, there is no evidence that EPA rules are costing responsible. For instance, every coal company announcement of a mass layoff or mine closure this year in Kentucky has cited poor market conditions as the reason for the action."

[Among those reasons cited:
  • "Low market demand"
  • "Weakness in steam coal market"
  • "No one is buying steel making coal"
  • "Soft market"
  • "Continued weakness in market demand"]
http://appvoices.org/resources/Appal...s_Update_2.pdf

If coal jobs go, it's probably due more to competitiveness from natural gas, rather than any specific policy by the president.
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I find it odd Obama never answered the mans question.....
And after Obama gave a 10 minute lecture, Romney should have asked the man - "That was a yes or no question wasn't it?"
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