Arrests for Corvette owners in Street Racing Sting in Houston - PDR used as evidence?
03-31-2015, 09:18 AM
#61
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Starbucks? Yeah right are you kidding me? Some of these 100% law abiding citizens are gonna have their hands properly placed at the 10 and 2 position unless they have a 3rd hand they can't drink coffee and drive!
Racing on the highway....bad and dangerous yep....do we do it....yep! Is it smart nope? But if you read the statistics it is not the most dangerous thing in the world. Will it ever stop nope! Approximately 150 deaths per year from street racing and this average has remained about the same for yearsssss. Texting while driving is related to about 6000 deaths per year and is increasing year after year! Hmmmm maybe that is why every state has a huge campaign against texting and driving and also being ticketed. If caught street racing yes you are facing some heavy fines (and a small possibility of crashing and dying but this can happen at the track as well AND OTHERS ARE IN DANGER AT A TRACK ALSO). NOBODY follows the laws 100% of the time while driving I see it every day whether it is changing lanes without signaling, running red lights, speeding, headlight or tail light out, texting and driving, reading paper/book and driving, putting on makeup and driving, racing on the street, illegal u-turns, drunk driving, too many lane changes within a certain distance (yes this is illegal ask me how i know), and many more. If 1 person on here says they drive and obey 100% of the laws 100% of the time well nothing I can do for somebody that lies to themself! Everybody is guilty of something and you are putting others at danger around you when you are doing any of the things I mentioned and things I didn't. Yeah it is easy to point the finger and say "them damn street racers are gonna kill somebody...." but guess what "you damn speeders, makeup putter oners while driving, etc etc are gonna kill somebody as well..."! So look in the mirror before you start getting all pissy about 1 illegal subject when you are guilty of at least 1 thing while driving as well! And if you are that person that follows every single driving law to a T then my hats off to you & I bet you are some piece of work!
I have now put my soap box away!
Racing on the highway....bad and dangerous yep....do we do it....yep! Is it smart nope? But if you read the statistics it is not the most dangerous thing in the world. Will it ever stop nope! Approximately 150 deaths per year from street racing and this average has remained about the same for yearsssss. Texting while driving is related to about 6000 deaths per year and is increasing year after year! Hmmmm maybe that is why every state has a huge campaign against texting and driving and also being ticketed. If caught street racing yes you are facing some heavy fines (and a small possibility of crashing and dying but this can happen at the track as well AND OTHERS ARE IN DANGER AT A TRACK ALSO). NOBODY follows the laws 100% of the time while driving I see it every day whether it is changing lanes without signaling, running red lights, speeding, headlight or tail light out, texting and driving, reading paper/book and driving, putting on makeup and driving, racing on the street, illegal u-turns, drunk driving, too many lane changes within a certain distance (yes this is illegal ask me how i know), and many more. If 1 person on here says they drive and obey 100% of the laws 100% of the time well nothing I can do for somebody that lies to themself! Everybody is guilty of something and you are putting others at danger around you when you are doing any of the things I mentioned and things I didn't. Yeah it is easy to point the finger and say "them damn street racers are gonna kill somebody...." but guess what "you damn speeders, makeup putter oners while driving, etc etc are gonna kill somebody as well..."! So look in the mirror before you start getting all pissy about 1 illegal subject when you are guilty of at least 1 thing while driving as well! And if you are that person that follows every single driving law to a T then my hats off to you & I bet you are some piece of work!
I have now put my soap box away!
Congress will never pass the law.Sorry if I got off the subject A little.
03-31-2015, 09:22 AM
#62
Find it hard to believe that you never have exceeded the speed limit, and guess what that is breaking the law. Speeds are set for safety purposes, like you driving 29 in a posted 25 residential area could lead to more brake time needed to avoid hitting a child going out for a ball etc. I understand there is a line between reckless endangerment and people looking for a quick smile, but the guys in the video waited till traffic was clear to gas it (which is breaking the law) but hardly reckless endangerment as there was no other crossing lanes of traffic before the stop light. Some of the responses seem really down right judgmental and hypocritical when I would bet everything I own that everyone in this forum has broke the law at some point with their vehicle.
People want to blame the Fast and Furious franchise for bringing illegal street racing to the public eye. Maybe if they weren't killing people in the process, it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
when people die due to incompetence, it's never a good thing. Doesn't matter if its texting while driving, or just not paying attention. Death is Death. Saying it's okay because only 150 people die a year due to street racing compared to people dying due to drivers texting? That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. "It's ok to street race, because only 150 people die a year...."
Ask Paul Walker how it turned out for him, eh?
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03-31-2015, 10:12 AM
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Speed limits have been set to force drivers to conserve fuel
Have you heard that the Federally imposed 55 mph speed limit is no longer in effect?
Have you heard that the Federally imposed 55 mph speed limit is no longer in effect?
03-31-2015, 02:44 PM
#64
I'm a former street racer myself (gave it up 20 years ago), but I'm a lot older and hopefully wiser now.
One thing about street racing that's missed in this thread is that often local races are loosely organized events with hundreds of people attending. Often those people are crowded around the cars at the starting line, or sometimes crowded around the finish line; cars will sometimes get squirrely and out of control and plow into crowds, leading to injury and death. No matter how careful a driver might be at one of these events, you can't control the crowds.
In one case I recall, a 16 year old girl was killed during a race because someone had yelled cops coming, and she ran out into the street in front of the cars that were racing at the time.
So it's fun and exciting, but dangerous as hell sometimes.
One thing about street racing that's missed in this thread is that often local races are loosely organized events with hundreds of people attending. Often those people are crowded around the cars at the starting line, or sometimes crowded around the finish line; cars will sometimes get squirrely and out of control and plow into crowds, leading to injury and death. No matter how careful a driver might be at one of these events, you can't control the crowds.
In one case I recall, a 16 year old girl was killed during a race because someone had yelled cops coming, and she ran out into the street in front of the cars that were racing at the time.
So it's fun and exciting, but dangerous as hell sometimes.
03-31-2015, 03:20 PM
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In the past, this forum has always stopped postings that advocated street racing. I would hope the moderators would step in and close or (better yet) delete this thread. Street racing is a crime and most of us are not criminals. There are legal places to drag race and that is where it should take place, not on the street. You cannot debate with criminals.
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03-31-2015, 03:31 PM
#66
Pro
Should Congress ban talking to your passengers too? It is essentially the same thing.
03-31-2015, 05:38 PM
#68
Safety Car
Don't believe me,They've did studies that cell phone use is as dangerous as texting maybe more.Put the general public goes into A hissy fit like you every time it's mentioned.
03-31-2015, 05:41 PM
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In the past, this forum has always stopped posting that advocated street racing. I would hope the moderators would step in and close or (better yet) delete this thread. Street racing is a crime and most of us are not criminals. There are legal places to drag race and that is where it should take place, not on the street. You cannot debate with criminals.
03-31-2015, 05:58 PM
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Oh please. I am not having a hissy fit. You can produce whatever results you want of any study. If talking on the phone while driving via Bluetooth is dangerous then so is talking to your passenger. It is the very same act minus the dialing part but then again you can use voice commands to dial someone through the infotainment system.
03-31-2015, 06:17 PM
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Oh please. I am not having a hissy fit. You can produce whatever results you want of any study. If talking on the phone while driving via Bluetooth is dangerous then so is talking to your passenger. It is the very same act minus the dialing part but then again you can use voice commands to dial someone through the infotainment system.
03-31-2015, 08:23 PM
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Melting Slicks
Omg isn't it so funny, o man it's just like that time that you got with those two dogs.... Wait what?!? It's sarcasim man, try and catch it next time, who gives a **** about some guys racing their cars and the cops wasting time and money on some big sting "pun intended" operation to catch them? It's fun to make jokes about, but this thread shouldn't be taken serious or even cause anyone to get upset about, haha! Good read comment wise...
03-31-2015, 09:01 PM
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No, because the forum guidelines prohibit discussion that involve illegal
activity. You might want to check the guidelines page under "rules."
Most if the forum members are not criminal street racers and do not want to be associated with criminal activities.
QUOTE=dvilin;1589313332]Just for you because you disapprove of street racing the thread should be deleted. Once again not everyone shares your view. Like it or not, street racing has been part of life since the first automobiles rolled off the old assembly line. Legal or not dangerous as it can be it is here to stay.[/QUOTE]
activity. You might want to check the guidelines page under "rules."
Most if the forum members are not criminal street racers and do not want to be associated with criminal activities.
QUOTE=dvilin;1589313332]Just for you because you disapprove of street racing the thread should be deleted. Once again not everyone shares your view. Like it or not, street racing has been part of life since the first automobiles rolled off the old assembly line. Legal or not dangerous as it can be it is here to stay.[/QUOTE]
03-31-2015, 10:47 PM
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04-01-2015, 05:35 AM
#76
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I find it hilarious there are still people blamimg the cops for this. As usual with criminals, its always the cops' fault.
04-01-2015, 07:26 AM
#77
Drifting
Honestly, this could have been any number of us who got caught up in the moment.
And while I do not promote street racing, I have done it myself. But many times when I am tempted to get a good romp in, I also consider second and third order affects to include the consequences should I get caught by law enforcement.
Unless you NEVER (not once, ever) raced on the street or are guilty of exhibition of speed (whether you got caught or not), blasting these Corvette guys who were caught is hypocritical to say the least.
Yeah, it sucks for them....but how many of us really buy a Corvette or invest $$$ simply for car shows and posted limit cruises and not once ever testing some sort of performance limits out on the streets? I got it....."Take it to the track", but the track isn't always a convenience.
If you've never (not once ever) street raced, then good for your upstanding citizenship as a motor vehicle operator. For those that have (or do), this news story could have been any one of us.
Know who you are running with and consider the consequences to your actions. It only takes one moment of crazed abandon to experience a significant emotional event like these Corvette guys featured in the news.
By the way, anyone recognize any of them?
And while I do not promote street racing, I have done it myself. But many times when I am tempted to get a good romp in, I also consider second and third order affects to include the consequences should I get caught by law enforcement.
Unless you NEVER (not once, ever) raced on the street or are guilty of exhibition of speed (whether you got caught or not), blasting these Corvette guys who were caught is hypocritical to say the least.
Yeah, it sucks for them....but how many of us really buy a Corvette or invest $$$ simply for car shows and posted limit cruises and not once ever testing some sort of performance limits out on the streets? I got it....."Take it to the track", but the track isn't always a convenience.
If you've never (not once ever) street raced, then good for your upstanding citizenship as a motor vehicle operator. For those that have (or do), this news story could have been any one of us.
Know who you are running with and consider the consequences to your actions. It only takes one moment of crazed abandon to experience a significant emotional event like these Corvette guys featured in the news.
By the way, anyone recognize any of them?
04-01-2015, 08:06 AM
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Oh please. I am not having a hissy fit. You can produce whatever results you want of any study. If talking on the phone while driving via Bluetooth is dangerous then so is talking to your passenger. It is the very same act minus the dialing part but then again you can use voice commands to dial someone through the infotainment system.
IN PART:
Hands-free devices often are seen as a solution to the risks of driver distraction because they help eliminate two obvious risks – visual, looking away from the road and manual, removing your hands off of the steering wheel. However, a third type of distraction can occur when using cell phones while driving – cognitive, taking your mind off the road.
Hands-free devices do not eliminate cognitive distraction.
The amount of exposure to each risk is key. Crashes are a function of the severity of each risk and how often the risk occurs. Most people can recognize when they are visually or mechanically distracted and seek to disengage from these activities as quickly as possible. However, people typically do not realize when they are cognitively distracted, such as taking part in a phone conversation; therefore, the risk lasts much, much longer. This likely explains why researchers have not been able to find a safety benefit to hands-free phone conversations.
The National Safety Council has compiled more than 30 research studies and reports by scientists around the world that used a variety of research methods, to compare driver performance with handheld and hands-free phones. All of these studies show hands-free phones offer no safety benefit when driving (Appendix A). Conversation occurs on both handheld and hands-free phones. The cognitive distraction from paying attention to conversation – from listening and responding to a disembodied voice – contributes to numerous driving impairments. Specific driving risks are discussed in detail later in this paper. First, let us look at why hands-free and handheld cell phone conversations can impair your driving ability.
Hands-free devices offer no safety benefit when driving.
Hands-free devices do not eliminate cognitive distraction.
04-01-2015, 08:29 AM
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Radar detectors are illegal in some States, so please skip those threads or request they be shut down. Would not want you or your friends associated with criminal activities.
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No, because the forum guidelines prohibit discussion that involve illegal
activity. You might want to check the guidelines page under "rules."
Most if the forum members are not criminal street racers and do not want to be associated with criminal activities.
QUOTE=dvilin;1589313332]Just for you because you disapprove of street racing the thread should be deleted. Once again not everyone shares your view. Like it or not, street racing has been part of life since the first automobiles rolled off the old assembly line. Legal or not dangerous as it can be it is here to stay.
activity. You might want to check the guidelines page under "rules."
Most if the forum members are not criminal street racers and do not want to be associated with criminal activities.
QUOTE=dvilin;1589313332]Just for you because you disapprove of street racing the thread should be deleted. Once again not everyone shares your view. Like it or not, street racing has been part of life since the first automobiles rolled off the old assembly line. Legal or not dangerous as it can be it is here to stay.
04-01-2015, 08:31 AM
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