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Old 09-27-2016, 09:25 AM
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Default ATI LS7 damper failures?

I recall two separate, but similar ATI / LS7 damper failures over the past few months. They were buried in other threads.

If I recall, in both cases the damper was supposedly sent back to ATI for analysis to determine cause of failure.

I'd like to know what happened, and if ATI or any of the shops who routinely install this damper might have the whole story?
Old 09-27-2016, 11:12 AM
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I have had two ATI LS7 balancers fail over the years. They were both caught early enough to avoid damage luckily and were replaced by ATI
Old 09-27-2016, 11:21 AM
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AzDave47 had a failure on his recently, but I don't know if CPR was ever able to determine the cause.
Old 09-27-2016, 11:34 AM
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Just had mine fail, caught it early enough.
Have not had any time to dig into it yet
Just sitting in garage
be curious what others had found
Old 09-27-2016, 11:37 AM
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Ugh...and I just put one on in my build too. Hopefully these where not a sign of a bigger issue.
Old 09-27-2016, 11:43 AM
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Subscribed. Would be interested to see what went wrong or the symptoms.

Mine has been on few a few years now without issue.... but I dont mind keeping an eye on it.
Old 09-27-2016, 11:46 AM
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If this were a pickup, or some other vehicle that one could easily get to the damb thing to swap it out in an hour or two, it would be a lot less concerning. No way in hell would I accept the risk with it possibly failing on this engine, this car. Pretty disappointing, seeing how ATI has been a favorite of mine for a long time.
Old 09-27-2016, 02:23 PM
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Mine failed a year ago.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...red-bolts.html
Old 09-27-2016, 03:31 PM
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I wonder what the rebuild schedule is? My iw came apart but they do offer rebuild service and recommend a service interval to replace all the internal components. I believe it is around $100 to rebuild it to like new shape.
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Originally Posted by Unreal
I wonder what the rebuild schedule is? My iw came apart but they do offer rebuild service and recommend a service interval to replace all the internal components. I believe it is around $100 to rebuild it to like new shape.
Just got off the phone with them, they recommend every 2 years for a road course/autox car. $75
Old 09-27-2016, 05:45 PM
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Fluidampr? *stirs the pot*
Old 09-28-2016, 12:54 AM
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ATI report on my failure should be posted in the next couple of days. I will then try to pull as much info from the threads together as possible to make a complete thread on the subject.
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Can those of you who have had failures note what version of damper it was? Someone shot me a PM (who will remain anonymous), informing me that there has been a design change within the last couple of years. You can tell by looking at the outer ridge. The older version did not have a 'lip', the new version does.

By the number of reported failures just in this very small sample of users, I'm guessing a design issue was the problem. Hopefully, ATI has that sorted out.
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Does anyone have a pic of the revised version?
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Originally Posted by Whis9
Just got off the phone with them, they recommend every 2 years for a road course/autox car. $75
Its surprising to me to hear the part isn't something that you can bolt on and leave for the remaining life of the engine. That goes to show I don't know enough about dampers .

The two year quote seems kinda vague. Two years driving how often? An hour or milage estimate would make more sense.
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AzDave47 noted that this ATI damper was sent back to ATI for analysis and found improper heat treatment to be the culprit.

I have quoted the relevant part of his failure narrative for reference below.

Damper failure can cause very serious engine damage. I've seen crankshafts broke in half before. If you have an AIT damper on your engine now, I'd keep an eye on it.

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9-12-16: CRP indicated that ATI had reported back that the Super Damper failure was due to improper heat treating in the manufacture of this unit. Out of pocket cost to me $0. I am happy the new ATI SuperDamper is installed and working well for about 1500 miles including 90 miles at ~4800 RPM.
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Originally Posted by Michael_D
AzDave47 noted that this ATI damper was sent back to ATI for analysis and found improper heat treatment to be the culprit.

I have quoted the relevant part of his failure narrative for reference below.

Damper failure can cause very serious engine damage. I've seen crankshafts broke in half before. If you have an AIT damper on your engine now, I'd keep an eye on it.
I know for sure they have had heat treat issues in a few cases. This was not wide spread from the way I remember it.

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Old 10-10-2016, 11:27 AM
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What part is failing? Mine is still in the box waiting to go on.
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Originally Posted by User Omega
I know for sure they have had heat treat issues in a few cases. This was not wide spread from the way I remember it.
But with what component? The response provided by CPR is so vague it doesn't help.

At this point in time, I cannot recommend that anyone use ATI on this engine. I'd rather stay OEM.
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Originally Posted by Michael_D
But with what component? The response provided by CPR is so vague it doesn't help.

At this point in time, I cannot recommend that anyone use ATI on this engine. I'd rather stay OEM.
The cracking was on the hub part of the damper.


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