[Z06] Is this normal lifter sound coming from the LS7 or something else?
#1
Instructor
Thread Starter
Is this normal lifter sound coming from the LS7 or something else?
Hi all. I am new to the LS7 and was wondering if the clicking sound you hear in my video below is just normal idle sound of the lifters or something totally different?
Sorry for the dark video, but at least the sound translated over well enough to hear.
Thanks much for any input.
VIDEO:
Sorry for the dark video, but at least the sound translated over well enough to hear.
Thanks much for any input.
VIDEO:
#2
Le Mans Master
The majority of what you are hearing is the fuel injectors cycling. The light tapping is typical, within the normal range of an LSx motor.
Last edited by Dan_the_C5_Man; 12-07-2016 at 07:09 PM.
#3
Instructor
Thread Starter
Thank you for clearing that up for me. So would you say the actual "clicking" sound comes from the plunger in this gif:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Injector3.gif
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Injector3.gif
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#4
Le Mans Master
Thank you for clearing that up for me. So would you say the actual "clicking" sound comes from the plunger in this gif:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Injector3.gif
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Injector3.gif
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Yes, I would assume it's the snapping shut of the plunger that makes the most noise.
Get a mechanics stethoscope and poke around - you can learn a lot about which components are loud or soft, the different types of noises, use that information for later diagnosis if something changes.
Last edited by Dan_the_C5_Man; 12-07-2016 at 07:27 PM.
#5
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I've always been wanting to add one just because it might come in handy one day for diagnosis. Found this one on amazon with good reviews https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-52500-M...cs+stethoscope
Anyways, thanks for all the help and insight.
Anyways, thanks for all the help and insight.
The light metallic, less-frequent "tapping" is most likely a lifter. The more frequent, lower-pitched clicks or "sewing machine sounds" are the fuel injectors, with a small amount of valve seat closing tossed in for good measure. The injectors are surprisingly noisy.
Yes, I would assume it's the snapping shut of the plunger that makes the most noise.
Get a mechanics stethoscope and poke around - you can learn a lot about which components are loud or soft, the different types of noises, use that information for later diagnosis if something changes.
Yes, I would assume it's the snapping shut of the plunger that makes the most noise.
Get a mechanics stethoscope and poke around - you can learn a lot about which components are loud or soft, the different types of noises, use that information for later diagnosis if something changes.
#6
Team Owner
I've always been wanting to add one just because it might come in handy one day for diagnosis. Found this one on amazon with good reviews https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-52500-M...cs+stethoscope
Anyways, thanks for all the help and insight.
Anyways, thanks for all the help and insight.
DH
#8
Instructor
Thread Starter
I haven't, but maybe one of the previous two owners has. Either way, I'll be getting the heads checked to see if they have been upgraded this winter.
Trust me, I knew about the dropped valve issue way before I bought the c6z, and it will be addressed along with a nice cam upgrade .
Trust me, I knew about the dropped valve issue way before I bought the c6z, and it will be addressed along with a nice cam upgrade .
#9
Race Director
I haven't, but maybe one of the previous two owners has. Either way, I'll be getting the heads checked to see if they have been upgraded this winter...Trust me, I knew about the dropped valve issue way before I bought the c6z, and it will be addressed along with a nice cam upgrade.
If mine weren't covered by a GMEPP my '08 would be parked until heads were thoroughly inspected and/or refurbished. Period.
Love my LS7 like no other, but also believe there's a potential flaw/weakness capable of really spoiling a day. Not all. Some.
Absent warranty coverage, now's the time to be proactive concerning this matter.
Welcome aboard.
#10
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Looks like you're a fellow Wisconsinite! Any shops in the SE WI area you'd recommend to perform this job?
There are quite a few recommended shops in the Chicago-land area that I've been looking at and the one that pops out at me the most is Speed Inc.
I'm not looking at spending the extra ~ $1,300 for a totally new head swap from AHP, just valves/valve guides and associated parts. The extra ~ 10-20 whp/wtq is not nearly a big enough gain to justify considering everything else on the oem heads is perfectly fine.
There are quite a few recommended shops in the Chicago-land area that I've been looking at and the one that pops out at me the most is Speed Inc.
I'm not looking at spending the extra ~ $1,300 for a totally new head swap from AHP, just valves/valve guides and associated parts. The extra ~ 10-20 whp/wtq is not nearly a big enough gain to justify considering everything else on the oem heads is perfectly fine.
Good to hear, must protect your investment, and the sooner the better.
If mine weren't covered by a GMEPP my '08 would be parked until heads were thoroughly inspected and/or refurbished. Period.
Love my LS7 like no other, but also believe there's a potential flaw/weakness capable of really spoiling a day. Not all. Some.
Absent warranty coverage, now's the time to be proactive concerning this matter.
Welcome aboard.
If mine weren't covered by a GMEPP my '08 would be parked until heads were thoroughly inspected and/or refurbished. Period.
Love my LS7 like no other, but also believe there's a potential flaw/weakness capable of really spoiling a day. Not all. Some.
Absent warranty coverage, now's the time to be proactive concerning this matter.
Welcome aboard.
#11
Race Director
Where you located?
Reason I ask is I just went through this issue w/ my '08 w/ 52K last Summer.
2nd & last GMPP was expiring, had to either have heads rebuilt or find suitable extended coverage. One or the other.
Only place out here in the sticks is West Bend Dyno: http://www.westbenddyno.com/
They claim expertise w/ LS series engines.
Maybe, maybe not...they've sure a nice shop way outside WB off H in the country.
Turns out GM got into the extended service contract business for GM cars/trucks. IIRC any GM vehicle w/ <120K and/or <10 y/o qualifies.
I guessed about $3K for head job, more using AHP/WCC etc.
GMEPP coverage OTOH cost <$3K,good up to 80K 'til '19.
Since I'm stock and intend staying so a GMEPP made financial sense, for me. Next time though, it's a rebuild and WBD is the closest, they'll probably get the job. No real choice, here.
In Milwaukee there have to be several solid shops to choose from, and w/o going to Chicago. Just guessing, though.
FWIW...last week or so a member living in Chicago area posted a horrendous experience w/ an allegedly well known/respected shop.
His gripe was he ordered specific parts be used on his build, paid for it and now there's [ample] evidence shop used junk.
Not saying it was SI, just the shop in question's a well known builder in Chicago. Betting guy's post was deleted, unfortunately.
Whatever you do w/ heads, just make sure it's done right first time. This is not the place to be penny-wise and dollar foolish.
Many members have done H/C/I upgrades to their LS7s since shortly after '06 when they came out.
I'm perfectly happy w/ my LS7's performance as-is, hate the idea of MPG taking a hit anyway.
#12
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Thread Starter
Would you mind sending me a personal message of the shop name? By the way, I am in Milwaukee.
last week or so a member living in Chicago area posted a horrendous experience w/ an allegedly well known/respected shop.
His gripe was he ordered specific parts be used on his build, paid for it and now there's [ample] evidence shop used junk.
Not saying it was SI, just the shop in question's a well known builder in Chicago.
His gripe was he ordered specific parts be used on his build, paid for it and now there's [ample] evidence shop used junk.
Not saying it was SI, just the shop in question's a well known builder in Chicago.
Last edited by milosav2; 12-09-2016 at 10:38 AM.
#13
Race Director
There was MUCH speculation based on the invoice OP posted, several members claimed they'd recognized the form. Would not want to slime any outfit based on speculation, but, the name you cited *sounds* familiar.
Milwaukee?
I recall several shops when I was researching, they're there.
I just didn't want to take my car all the way into the city.
Now CF has regional forums, try posting your questions there, might get lucky & catch a couple referrals. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/great-lakes-43/
G/L, post whatever place you land on.