C7 General Discussion General C7 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Considering a 2017 Corvette purchase

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-15-2017, 09:15 PM
  #1  
Mcgorty
2nd Gear
Thread Starter
 
Mcgorty's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2017
Posts: 2
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Considering a 2017 Corvette purchase

Im new to this forum. Im considering a purchase of a 17 grand sport 2lt. I test drove a grand sport 3lt and z51 2lt today. I drove the grand sport first. I love evrything about the car except the tight turning tire chatter that occurs. The dealer told me it was due to the " sticky tires" the grand sport has. He said the z51 used a different tire and it was not as pronounced. I drove the z51 and it seemed just as bad. Im in massachusetts and it was about 30 degrees today. Does this tire chatter get much better in warmer temps. Can i change the tires to something that will elimate this chatter. Thanks in advance for all your input.
Old 01-15-2017, 09:21 PM
  #2  
roadbike56
Race Director
Support Corvetteforum!
 
roadbike56's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2011
Location: Holly Springs NC
Posts: 14,389
Received 1,609 Likes on 1,037 Posts
St. Jude Donor '16-'17,'22,'24

Default

Your dealer must be trying to sell Z51s . Your feeling that it's almost identical is correct. Yes, the GS might be a little worse, but all C7s have the chatter. AND yes, it gets much better in the late spring, and summer.
For me, in NC, I have no chatter at all once we reach April/May with temps in the 70's. It's annoying, but it bothered me much more last year, my first year with a C7. This year I just kind of shrug it off as I'm used to it.
The following users liked this post:
Rebel Yell (01-16-2017)
Old 01-15-2017, 09:25 PM
  #3  
mschuyler
Safety Car
 
mschuyler's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2016
Location: Bainbridge Island WA
Posts: 4,980
Received 3,818 Likes on 1,614 Posts
Default

All new corvettes get the "summer-only" tires, albeit in different sizes. Very likely the "chatter" you experienced in cold weather reflects this. People say the summer tires feel like hockey pucks in cold weather. The solutions are:

1) Drive the summer only tires in warmer weather, or
2) Replace the tires with all season tires, or
3) Put up with it.

GM does not feel inclined to offer an alternative tire choice, as per Tadge, Chief Engineer, so those are your choices to this well-known issue.

Last edited by mschuyler; 01-15-2017 at 09:27 PM.
Old 01-15-2017, 09:49 PM
  #4  
jeff7457
Advanced

 
jeff7457's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2013
Location: Baltimore MD
Posts: 78
Received 17 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

I own a 17 GS. I had the pleasure of working on a 14 Z51 Vert at the shop not long ago. They both have the tire chatter.
Old 01-15-2017, 09:52 PM
  #5  
PeteC7
Pro
 
PeteC7's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2016
Location: Houston TX
Posts: 644
Received 214 Likes on 157 Posts
Default

The grand sport has wider tires too which compounds the issue. At first it caught me off guard but doesn't bother me at all anymore.
Old 01-16-2017, 09:23 AM
  #6  
bearphoto
Safety Car
 
bearphoto's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2009
Location: Lake Havasu City Arizona
Posts: 4,194
Likes: 0
Received 302 Likes on 200 Posts
SoCal Events Coordinator
St. Jude Donor '12

Default

All cars with wide tires do it. Its only noticeable in cold temps and when you are turning sharply.

Solution: Don't turn as sharply if possible, don't drive it in cold temps or just understand what it is and drive it like you stole it!
Old 01-16-2017, 09:26 AM
  #7  
rkhegler
Team Owner
 
rkhegler's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2004
Location: Big Red Ne
Posts: 30,061
Received 350 Likes on 152 Posts

Default

Consider no more. Pull the trigger.
Old 01-16-2017, 09:55 AM
  #8  
Larry/car
Race Director
 
Larry/car's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2008
Location: Manheim Pennsylvania
Posts: 10,742
Received 621 Likes on 423 Posts

Default

The standard Stingray has different tires and chatter should be less. I have the standard model and chatter is minimal. I have the Stingray since early 2014 and have not reached the limit of the car's capability. I just upgraded to a new 2017 Stingray convertible.
Old 01-16-2017, 10:10 AM
  #9  
bjones7131
Safety Car
 
bjones7131's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2014
Location: Walhalla South Carolina
Posts: 4,450
Received 845 Likes on 592 Posts

Default

I had a 16 stingray and it had no chatter but this GS is awful. There is a tag tied around the gear selector when the car is new stating the chatter issue and indicates it is normal. Do any of you know if there is a non run flat in all season tire? I stopped by my local discount tire Sat. and he looked and said there were NO run flats available. Bummer
Old 01-16-2017, 10:22 AM
  #10  
monicatomokc
Pro
 
monicatomokc's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2014
Location: Yukon Oklahoma
Posts: 724
Received 293 Likes on 154 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mcgorty
Im new to this forum. Im considering a purchase of a 17 grand sport 2lt. I test drove a grand sport 3lt and z51 2lt today. I drove the grand sport first. I love evrything about the car except the tight turning tire chatter that occurs. The dealer told me it was due to the " sticky tires" the grand sport has. He said the z51 used a different tire and it was not as pronounced. I drove the z51 and it seemed just as bad. Im in massachusetts and it was about 30 degrees today. Does this tire chatter get much better in warmer temps. Can i change the tires to something that will elimate this chatter. Thanks in advance for all your input.
It's not temp driven and so common that it's addressed in the owners manual:

From page 1-20 of the 2014 owners manual:

Tire Chatter/Hop
When driving at slow speeds and in
very tight turns, the vehicle may
have tire chatter/hop. This condition
is normal and the vehicle does not
require service.
Old 01-16-2017, 10:28 AM
  #11  
Supersonic 427
Le Mans Master

 
Supersonic 427's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2002
Location: Rochester New York
Posts: 5,788
Received 1,649 Likes on 817 Posts

Default

The least amount of "tire chatter" on a new Corvette will be on the Stingray models without the FE2 or Z51 suspensions. This is the base FE1 suspension with 18" and 19" wheels and tires. The tire compound is different than the 19"/20" Z51 tires. The GS and Z06 have the same compound as the Z51 tires only wider which enhances the chatter more so. Again the chatter causes no harm and as the outside temps rise the less the chatter. All Corvettes come with summer only tires and will have chatter especially in cold temps.
The following users liked this post:
beaversstonehaven (01-16-2017)
Old 01-16-2017, 11:12 AM
  #12  
Maxpowers
Le Mans Master
 
Maxpowers's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2015
Location: Toronto
Posts: 6,684
Received 2,733 Likes on 1,831 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by monicatomokc
It's not temp driven and so common that it's addressed in the owners manual:

From page 1-20 of the 2014 owners manual:

Tire Chatter/Hop
When driving at slow speeds and in
very tight turns, the vehicle may
have tire chatter/hop. This condition
is normal and the vehicle does not
require service.
True. But the chatter is way more pronounced when it's cold.
Old 01-16-2017, 11:47 AM
  #13  
Woodson
Le Mans Master
 
Woodson's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary Alberta
Posts: 5,694
Received 1,367 Likes on 791 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by bearphoto
All cars with wide tires do it.
No they don't.
The following users liked this post:
JerryU (01-16-2017)
Old 01-16-2017, 12:02 PM
  #14  
Z06 1of38
Drifting
 
Z06 1of38's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,496
Received 677 Likes on 333 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bearphoto
All cars with wide tires do it. Its only noticeable in cold temps and when you are turning sharply.

Solution: Don't turn as sharply if possible, don't drive it in cold temps or just understand what it is and drive it like you stole it!
My Viper doesn't.
Old 01-16-2017, 12:07 PM
  #15  
dbaker
Melting Slicks
 
dbaker's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2005
Location: Near Charlotte NC
Posts: 2,568
Received 263 Likes on 179 Posts

Default

Just my O.....many sales ppl who sell Vette's really don't know much about them.

Sounds like that guy was one of them.

Find the one that "fits" your needs & budget.

The Z51 fit both for me.

\db2
Old 01-16-2017, 12:19 PM
  #16  
joemessman
Le Mans Master
 
joemessman's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2015
Location: Lake Havasu City Arizona
Posts: 7,339
Received 3,447 Likes on 2,063 Posts
Default

Here is a link to what you are describing. It is the Ackermann effect. It is normal and shouldn't be a reason of concern for you.
http://blog.patmcgrathchevyland.com/...ette-stingray/
Old 01-16-2017, 01:19 PM
  #17  
Always Red Dave
Le Mans Master
 
Always Red Dave's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2005
Location: Plymouth Massachusetts
Posts: 9,488
Received 3,136 Likes on 1,742 Posts
Finalist 2020 C7 of the Year -- Unmodified

Default

Hated the chatter put on Michelin pilot All season A/S3's when I purchased my 2014 Z51 .I now have 0% chatter.

Get notified of new replies

To Considering a 2017 Corvette purchase

Old 01-16-2017, 01:59 PM
  #18  
Rebel Yell
Le Mans Master
 
Rebel Yell's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2006
Location: Down south in Dixie
Posts: 6,801
Received 2,639 Likes on 1,702 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Supersonic 427
The least amount of "tire chatter" on a new Corvette will be on the Stingray models without the FE2 or Z51 suspensions. This is the base FE1 suspension with 18" and 19" wheels and tires. The tire compound is different than the 19"/20" Z51 tires. The GS and Z06 have the same compound as the Z51 tires only wider which enhances the chatter more so. Again the chatter causes no harm and as the outside temps rise the less the chatter. All Corvettes come with summer only tires and will have chatter especially in cold temps.
It's really nothing to worry about. So go ahead, you won't be sorry. Prices have never been better.
Old 01-16-2017, 02:12 PM
  #19  
MAKC7
Racer
 
MAKC7's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2014
Location: Broadview Hts Ohio
Posts: 307
Received 59 Likes on 45 Posts
Default

Buy NOW....Discounts and deals have never been better due to the excess of inventory.
Old 01-16-2017, 02:19 PM
  #20  
JerryU
E-Ray, 3LZ, ZER, LIFT
Support Corvetteforum!
 
JerryU's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: NE South Carolina
Posts: 29,595
Received 9,657 Likes on 6,653 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Mcgorty
Im new to this forum. Im considering a purchase of a 17 grand sport 2lt. I test drove a grand sport 3lt and z51 2lt today. I drove the grand sport first. I love evrything about the car except the tight turning tire chatter that occurs. The dealer told me it was due to the " sticky tires" the grand sport has. He said the z51 used a different tire and it was not as pronounced. I drove the z51 and it seemed just as bad. Im in massachusetts and it was about 30 degrees today. Does this tire chatter get much better in warmer temps. Can i change the tires to something that will elimate this chatter. Thanks in advance for all your input.
It's not the sticky tires at all! It's worse when it's cold and when the pavement is wet when the tires are less sticky, more like steel! But doubt most car salesman know that or care to know why!

It was no where near as bad with my Z51 C6 that had the same width tires!

Best evidence for the cause is it goes away with the same size winter tires and same Ackerman geometry (which some like to quote as the cause!) Why then is it so bad when it's below 40 F?

It's the race car type low slip angles on the Michelin tires, worse with the lower profile Z51 and no doubt a bit worse with the wider GS tires.

SIDE BAR: For the semi technical or technical folks a complete explanation is provided in this picture/text PDF, with proof! http://netwelding.com/Wheel_Chatter.pdf
For those who just roll their eyes with tech explanations and where their none inquiring mind does NOT want to know-just skip!

Easy Workaround I have been using for what is my 4th winter. When below ~45F on slow speed turns, just turn the wheel 1/2+ turn from max lock and use "K" turn. Do that when I pull out of my side garage every cold morning. In Spring and Summer no need, can use full lock!

Last edited by JerryU; 01-16-2017 at 02:35 PM.


Quick Reply: Considering a 2017 Corvette purchase



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:53 AM.