twin turbo or supercharger?
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twin turbo or supercharger?
I have a daily driver 2001 Z06. It has headers, exhaust, and air intake at this point and I'm debating between supercharger or doing twin turbo. I'm trying to get to about 600 RWHP. And I have a budget of about 10k to get there. This is my first corvette. It will mainly be a daily driver but also may see some track time down the road. I'm looking for pros and cons for both. Can someone assist a noob.
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#3
Burning Brakes
1 - I'm only doing this once so I don't care if one costs more than another, I'm going to get what I want.
2 - I'm semi-lazy so I don't want to have something that is more complicated or adds more potential work or maintenance, and lasts a long time.
3 - I want something that sounds cool when I get on it.
4 - MOST IMPORTANT - I decided I was only street driving the car and I only wanted to **** myself with enthusiastic burnouts, drifts, on ramps, passing, or other acts of hooliganism. No intent to drag race, autocross, or high speed mile runs so maximum HP numbers, power curves, etc etc were irrelevant.
So I chose an STS TT at 6 lbs of boost and 500 rwhp. Perfect for me and still grinning every time I fire it up.
Now it's your turn. Good luck!!!
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#5
Former Vendor
Most everything in here thus far is correct. SC's are cheaper and generally easier to install (save for pinning the crank part), TT's cost more and take longer to install, but since you get 100% of your boost mid way through the RPM the torque curve is significantly better. TT's also inherently make more power since there is no parasitic loss.
Personally I'm partial to TT's, but I have a very bias opinion....
Every car that my wife and I own is turbocharged...
If you do decide to go TT, let me know and we can get you taken care of.
CK
Personally I'm partial to TT's, but I have a very bias opinion....
Every car that my wife and I own is turbocharged...
If you do decide to go TT, let me know and we can get you taken care of.
CK
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heavyb12345678 (03-02-2017)
#6
Melting Slicks
you sound like the candidate for a blower, they're on the cheaper end if you want to get into boost. as there's other things you'll need to add to complete the setup. like clutch,fuel system,gauges,tune etc. these lil things add up quickly.
if you're doing the labor and budget it well, I'll spend a lil more and go UPP twins. I'm running the Huron twins personally, but that'll on the higher end of your budget. If you're patient, the used market is good on the pockets, and you want have to cut corners on other lil things.
if you're doing the labor and budget it well, I'll spend a lil more and go UPP twins. I'm running the Huron twins personally, but that'll on the higher end of your budget. If you're patient, the used market is good on the pockets, and you want have to cut corners on other lil things.
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I can give an honest assesment having had both a procharged C5 and now UPP twin turbo Z06. Right off the bat, unless your doing your own labor that $10k budget wont work for UPP kit. I mainly got the twin turbo setup because its different than what I normally see in my area. I hate having the same stuff as everyone else. The car is a lot of fun and the main advantage I see with turbos is I made a lot more power per boost level than a blower. But I dont think thats a concern for most people on stock motor. For your $10k budget I just dont think youll make it with turbos. I had the same budget and Im over $14k now. And theres still a few things we are still working out.
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#10
Burning Brakes
I can give an honest assesment having had both a procharged C5 and now UPP twin turbo Z06. Right off the bat, unless your doing your own labor that $10k budget wont work for UPP kit. I mainly got the twin turbo setup because its different than what I normally see in my area. I hate having the same stuff as everyone else. The car is a lot of fun and the main advantage I see with turbos is I made a lot more power per boost level than a blower. But I dont think thats a concern for most people on stock motor. For your $10k budget I just dont think youll make it with turbos. I had the same budget and Im over $14k now. And theres still a few things we are still working out.
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heavyb12345678 (03-02-2017)
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I guess I didn't really give enough info though. My 10k budget is what I'm looking to do this year. I was thinking TTK or SC and upgraded fuel system and clutch this year. I priced it upp ttk is like $7000 fuel system $700 . I haven't priced the clutch but I was guessing $1500 or so. Then $1,500 for tune. Then after summer brakes and better rear tires. If I keep around 600 HP is there anything else I need until I break stuff?
#12
I'll go against the grain:
I'd add a clutch and blower friendly cam first. Enjoy the car, save a few more bucks, and then add the supercharger.
Maybe do it across a few years.
Whatever you do, do the clutch first. The stocker is lucky to hold 400-450, let alone 600.
I'd add a clutch and blower friendly cam first. Enjoy the car, save a few more bucks, and then add the supercharger.
Maybe do it across a few years.
Whatever you do, do the clutch first. The stocker is lucky to hold 400-450, let alone 600.
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heavyb12345678 (03-02-2017)
#13
I decided I'm gonna go supercharger. I think I'm gonna go either A and A or East Coast supercharging. Anyone have a opinion on which kit? I wanna do the install myself. Everything I've read on the forums seems to say these are the best two kits. Let me know what you guys think?
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A lot of things start to snowball when you do this. I started off planning my project with just adding a UPP kit and valve springs (I have an 02 z06). For a couple hundred more dollars in labor I could do a cam swap. Since I was doing a cam swap (BTR stage 2 tt cam) I figured might as well do an ATI damper and pin kit (not necessary for turbo but for 100 dollars why not?). Got all that together and then had a lifter failure and ended up forging the motor. Threw on a clutch while the motor was out. Next thing I know Im up over 20k. Granted I live in a condo so I have no garage so most of this was done at a shop.
The whole time while this what seemed like never ending project was going on I thought, "man if I knew I was going to spend 20k+ I would have just thrown in a 5xx ci lsx and been done with it." But now that the engine/clutch is broken in and I got all the residual bugs ironed out I freaking love it! The sound of the turbos and blow off valve are just amazing. The cars only running about 7psi but it pulls hard and sounds scary doing it.
I just have two small gripes with the UPP TT kit that I think they have corrected recently. 1. I am running 275/35r18 Toyo r888s on the front and we had to "massage" the driver side downpipe to clear the tire. It no longer is nice and pretty and round but. 2. The hot pipes running up and over the front tires sit just a tad bit too low and under hard cornering I rub the tire on the stock suspension. Im getting coilvers soon so I believe the added firmness will prevent this, but I've also seen pics of kits recently and they look to have a part that lets the pipe sit higher above the tire.
All in all, unless you are doing the labor yourself, I think 10k is not realistic.
The whole time while this what seemed like never ending project was going on I thought, "man if I knew I was going to spend 20k+ I would have just thrown in a 5xx ci lsx and been done with it." But now that the engine/clutch is broken in and I got all the residual bugs ironed out I freaking love it! The sound of the turbos and blow off valve are just amazing. The cars only running about 7psi but it pulls hard and sounds scary doing it.
I just have two small gripes with the UPP TT kit that I think they have corrected recently. 1. I am running 275/35r18 Toyo r888s on the front and we had to "massage" the driver side downpipe to clear the tire. It no longer is nice and pretty and round but. 2. The hot pipes running up and over the front tires sit just a tad bit too low and under hard cornering I rub the tire on the stock suspension. Im getting coilvers soon so I believe the added firmness will prevent this, but I've also seen pics of kits recently and they look to have a part that lets the pipe sit higher above the tire.
All in all, unless you are doing the labor yourself, I think 10k is not realistic.
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I decided I'm gonna go supercharger. I think I'm gonna go either A and A or East Coast supercharging. Anyone have a opinion on which kit? I wanna do the install myself. Everything I've read on the forums seems to say these are the best two kits. Let me know what you guys think?
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heavyb12345678 (03-02-2017)
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supercharger all day, there are lots of guys who have gone into the 8s and made 800+ whp with A&A and ECS kits so I think until you get really crazy it's hard for me to justify spending 2-3x as much for the turbo kit.
both ECS and A&A are top notch shops and you can't go wrong so ultimately I think it comes down to what is more common and known by your local shops and tuner
the tires, clutch, fuel system, tuning, etc will nickel and dime you too but with $500+ chunks.
both ECS and A&A are top notch shops and you can't go wrong so ultimately I think it comes down to what is more common and known by your local shops and tuner
the tires, clutch, fuel system, tuning, etc will nickel and dime you too but with $500+ chunks.
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heavyb12345678 (03-02-2017)
#17
So I have decided to go with the blower. I'm also going to upgrade my clutch and do a blower cam. Any recomendations for both cam and clutch? I'll be doing the A and A kit. And setting it up for 600rwhp.
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Melting Slicks
If you're getting the kit from A&A, then just get a clutch and cam from them too.