C7 Z06 Discussion General Z06 Corvette Discussion, LT4 Corvette Technical Info, Performance Upgrades, Suspension Setup for Street or Track
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: GEM Motorsports

Let's talk pulley's

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-28-2017, 07:42 PM
  #1  
1rawTA
Pro
Thread Starter
 
1rawTA's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2004
Location: Clifton NJ
Posts: 540
Received 44 Likes on 38 Posts

Default Let's talk pulley's

Just like the title says, Let's talk pulleys

Pro's and con's to upper or crank? Which do you like and why?
Some People run both?

E85 is not avail. in NJ. and I would rather not install Meth in the car.
So 93 with TORCO (for race days or runs in mexico) are my only real options

This is my first SC car BTW...

Thank you!

Popular Reply

03-29-2017, 12:30 PM
FF_Z06
Instructor
 
FF_Z06's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2016
Location: San Diego CA
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
Received 18 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

My research on the forum shows that the lower pulley is the easier and safer install of the two. The upper needs to be pressed off and requires removal of more components. The lower is just bolt on and is easier to reverse. Probably a few hours labor to do lower at a competent shop. Lower also seems to be safer due to MORE belt wrap (less slippage) than the smaller upper that would have LESS belt wrap and greater chance of belt slip.

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/eng...-corvette-z06/

After learning this I mostly looked at lower pulleys...

Lower options range from 5-18% overdrive. Redline (ATI) makes a 5% and a 15%. Innovators West (most popular it seems) makes a 9% and 18% overdrive versions. 18% seems to be the largest you can run due to subframe clearance. 9% gives you about +3psi (12.5psi) boost over stock (9.5psi). Each psi gives you ~22-25whp. Some have reported the IATs seem to be significantly higher with the 15% and 18% options and creates too much heat. 15% and 18% DEFINITELY needs tuning (and maybe Meth?) while several forum members actually run the 5% and 9% pulleys without tuning (which is NOT recommended of course). Lower IATs with the 5% and 9% pullies obviously.

Hopefully this helps...
Old 03-28-2017, 09:12 PM
  #2  
L Duncan
Racer
 
L Duncan's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2014
Posts: 475
Received 63 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

I don't like to overspin this blower to much...I have an 8.75 lower and 2.3 upper(makes about 12lbs of boost. No meth.
Old 03-28-2017, 09:20 PM
  #3  
1rawTA
Pro
Thread Starter
 
1rawTA's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2004
Location: Clifton NJ
Posts: 540
Received 44 Likes on 38 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by L Duncan
I don't like to overspin this blower to much...I have an 8.75 lower and 2.3 upper(makes about 12lbs of boost. No meth.
I agree with what your saying with overspining it, preferably i would like to do just an upper, I belive alot of the car has to come apart to get the lower pulley off? i don't want to pull the rad and the condesor

Any dyno results and what are your other mods?

Thank you
Old 03-28-2017, 09:44 PM
  #4  
fasthwks
Drifting
 
fasthwks's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: W. Jefferson OH
Posts: 1,277
Received 54 Likes on 45 Posts

Default

I run upper pulley, intake, x pipe, tune and Corsa and saw 610rwhp if that helps. I too did not want to go with the labor of the lower at this point. M7 car

Last edited by fasthwks; 03-28-2017 at 09:44 PM.
Old 03-28-2017, 09:51 PM
  #5  
upcharger
Racer
 
upcharger's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2016
Posts: 347
Received 62 Likes on 48 Posts
Default

My understanding is that the lower is easier. Seems I could be wrong. I'm getting lower put on this weekend. 15% by lingenfelter. Already have haltech xpipe and magnaflows. No headers. No meth. E85 not available where I am.
Old 03-28-2017, 11:06 PM
  #6  
David4359
Racer
 
David4359's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2016
Location: NY Ny
Posts: 257
Received 55 Likes on 35 Posts
Default

I ran lower all last summer with AR long tubes off road X pipe afe intake and made 660Whp I'm also a m7. I'm going to horse power addicts in Delaware on Thursday and putting a procharger
Old 03-28-2017, 11:39 PM
  #7  
upcharger
Racer
 
upcharger's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2016
Posts: 347
Received 62 Likes on 48 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by David4359
I ran lower all last summer with AR long tubes off road X pipe afe intake and made 660Whp I'm also a m7. I'm going to horse power addicts in Delaware on Thursday and putting a procharger
tell us more plz. What all are you doing and what's it gonna cost?

Last edited by upcharger; 03-28-2017 at 11:40 PM.
Old 03-29-2017, 07:13 AM
  #8  
1rawTA
Pro
Thread Starter
 
1rawTA's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2004
Location: Clifton NJ
Posts: 540
Received 44 Likes on 38 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by upcharger
tell us more plz. What all are you doing and what's it gonna cost?
Prob 10k+
Old 03-29-2017, 07:15 AM
  #9  
1rawTA
Pro
Thread Starter
 
1rawTA's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2004
Location: Clifton NJ
Posts: 540
Received 44 Likes on 38 Posts

Default

I was looking into the cordes upper pulley, along with headers no cats, intake, ported tb into the stock catback... preliminary plans.. no e85 no meth.. maybe make 620whp on mustang dyno

Those are the preliminary plans.
Old 03-29-2017, 07:31 AM
  #10  
Seannyc
Drifting
 
Seannyc's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2014
Posts: 1,787
Received 59 Likes on 55 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by David4359
I ran lower all last summer with AR long tubes off road X pipe afe intake and made 660Whp I'm also a m7. I'm going to horse power addicts in Delaware on Thursday and putting a procharger
u ever ran the 1/4 with that setup should be 9'second car
Old 03-29-2017, 10:26 AM
  #11  
Thomasmoto
Race Director
 
Thomasmoto's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2011
Location: GREER SC
Posts: 19,563
Received 1,505 Likes on 1,027 Posts

Default

Well let's start with it's all pink inside...er oh wait sorry, he said pulley's. Sorry couldn't resist.
The following users liked this post:
AZGASSER (03-29-2017)
Old 03-29-2017, 11:18 AM
  #12  
Z06NJ
Drifting
 
Z06NJ's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2016
Posts: 1,753
Received 234 Likes on 205 Posts
Default

Subscribed
Old 03-29-2017, 12:21 PM
  #13  
Cordes Performance Racing
Supporting Vendor
 
Cordes Performance Racing's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2009
Location: Mesa Az
Posts: 4,222
Received 1,228 Likes on 775 Posts

Default

our upper makes the same power & tq as an 18% lower, I personally think it's easier to install as you don't have to jack up the car at all, the blower comes off super fast imo, and you only need a press and a puller to remove the oem pulley and press our hub on.
__________________
Cordes Performance Racing aka "CPR"
Owner of AZ's premier LSX/LTX motorsports shop
http://cordesperformanceracing.com/
www.facebook.com/cordesperformanceracing.com
joe@cordesperformanceracing.com
480-359-5914


Old 03-29-2017, 12:22 PM
  #14  
AZGASSER
Drifting
 
AZGASSER's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2002
Location: Central MO
Posts: 1,571
Received 289 Likes on 211 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 1rawTA
I was looking into the cordes upper pulley, along with headers no cats, intake, ported tb into the stock catback... preliminary plans.. no e85 no meth.. maybe make 620whp on mustang dyno

Those are the preliminary plans.
I am waiting on Joe at CPR to get my headers in and coated and that is what I am doing. I have the Haltech in place with a ported TB already. Hopefully in the next week we should be ready for the install and tune. I will keep you posted.
Old 03-29-2017, 12:30 PM
  #15  
FF_Z06
Instructor
 
FF_Z06's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2016
Location: San Diego CA
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
Received 18 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

My research on the forum shows that the lower pulley is the easier and safer install of the two. The upper needs to be pressed off and requires removal of more components. The lower is just bolt on and is easier to reverse. Probably a few hours labor to do lower at a competent shop. Lower also seems to be safer due to MORE belt wrap (less slippage) than the smaller upper that would have LESS belt wrap and greater chance of belt slip.

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/eng...-corvette-z06/

After learning this I mostly looked at lower pulleys...

Lower options range from 5-18% overdrive. Redline (ATI) makes a 5% and a 15%. Innovators West (most popular it seems) makes a 9% and 18% overdrive versions. 18% seems to be the largest you can run due to subframe clearance. 9% gives you about +3psi (12.5psi) boost over stock (9.5psi). Each psi gives you ~22-25whp. Some have reported the IATs seem to be significantly higher with the 15% and 18% options and creates too much heat. 15% and 18% DEFINITELY needs tuning (and maybe Meth?) while several forum members actually run the 5% and 9% pulleys without tuning (which is NOT recommended of course). Lower IATs with the 5% and 9% pullies obviously.

Hopefully this helps...

Last edited by FF_Z06; 03-29-2017 at 12:46 PM.
The following 7 users liked this post by FF_Z06:
ajrothm (03-29-2017), Fastmikefree (03-30-2017), Hawkbarr (04-01-2017), Nithros (04-02-2017), stangin4lyfe (09-14-2017), The Yav (03-31-2017), Z06NJ (03-29-2017) and 2 others liked this post. (Show less...)
Old 03-29-2017, 01:06 PM
  #16  
1rawTA
Pro
Thread Starter
 
1rawTA's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2004
Location: Clifton NJ
Posts: 540
Received 44 Likes on 38 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by FF_Z06
My research on the forum shows that the lower pulley is the easier and safer install of the two. The upper needs to be pressed off and requires removal of more components. The lower is just bolt on and is easier to reverse. Probably a few hours labor to do lower at a competent shop. Lower also seems to be safer due to MORE belt wrap (less slippage) than the smaller upper that would have LESS belt wrap and greater chance of belt slip.

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/eng...-corvette-z06/

After learning this I mostly looked at lower pulleys...

Lower options range from 5-18% overdrive. Redline (ATI) makes a 5% and a 15%. Innovators West (most popular it seems) makes a 9% and 18% overdrive versions. 18% seems to be the largest you can run due to subframe clearance. 9% gives you about +3psi (12.5psi) boost over stock (9.5psi). Each psi gives you ~22-25whp. Some have reported the IATs seem to be significantly higher with the 15% and 18% options and creates too much heat. 15% and 18% DEFINITELY needs tuning (and maybe Meth?) while several forum members actually run the 5% and 9% pulleys without tuning (which is NOT recommended of course). Lower IATs with the 5% and 9% pullies obviously.

Hopefully this helps...

This does help, thank you very much! I do believe the rad and condensor have to be removed for lower pulley though, You have to press the crank pulley off, that doesn't just slip on and off.
Old 03-29-2017, 01:07 PM
  #17  
1rawTA
Pro
Thread Starter
 
1rawTA's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2004
Location: Clifton NJ
Posts: 540
Received 44 Likes on 38 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by AZGASSER
I am waiting on Joe at CPR to get my headers in and coated and that is what I am doing. I have the Haltech in place with a ported TB already. Hopefully in the next week we should be ready for the install and tune. I will keep you posted.
Keep me in the loop as far as numbers, Are you going to be running straight 93 with no meth? If so this the exact combo i am planning to go with. I have my eyes on the Cordes upper pulley fyi

Get notified of new replies

To Let's talk pulley's

Old 03-29-2017, 01:59 PM
  #18  
FF_Z06
Instructor
 
FF_Z06's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2016
Location: San Diego CA
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
Received 18 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 1rawTA
This does help, thank you very much! I do believe the rad and condensor have to be removed for lower pulley though, You have to press the crank pulley off, that doesn't just slip on and off.
You're right, the crank pulley does need a damper removal tool. From what I have read no rad and compressor removal though. Here is a good tutorial another forum member posted...

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...y-removal.html
Old 03-29-2017, 02:00 PM
  #19  
Cordes Performance Racing
Supporting Vendor
 
Cordes Performance Racing's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2009
Location: Mesa Az
Posts: 4,222
Received 1,228 Likes on 775 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by FF_Z06
My research on the forum shows that the lower pulley is the easier and safer install of the two. The upper needs to be pressed off and requires removal of more components. The lower is just bolt on and is easier to reverse. Probably a few hours labor to do lower at a competent shop. Lower also seems to be safer due to MORE belt wrap (less slippage) than the smaller upper that would have LESS belt wrap and greater chance of belt slip.

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/eng...-corvette-z06/

After learning this I mostly looked at lower pulleys...

Lower options range from 5-18% overdrive. Redline (ATI) makes a 5% and a 15%. Innovators West (most popular it seems) makes a 9% and 18% overdrive versions. 18% seems to be the largest you can run due to subframe clearance. 9% gives you about +3psi (12.5psi) boost over stock (9.5psi). Each psi gives you ~22-25whp. Some have reported the IATs seem to be significantly higher with the 15% and 18% options and creates too much heat. 15% and 18% DEFINITELY needs tuning (and maybe Meth?) while several forum members actually run the 5% and 9% pulleys without tuning (which is NOT recommended of course). Lower IATs with the 5% and 9% pullies obviously.

Hopefully this helps...
safer imo is not relevant nor is one safer than the other. the lower you have to pull more stuff off, lift the car, or put it on jack stands. mine you can do with the car on the ground so from a safety stand point there is no risk of having a car fall on you.. our pulley has absolutely zero slip logged during 1/2 miles. end of the day it all depends on what the customer wants but if they are paying a shop my pulley comes out cheaper than doing a lower, part is less money, and labor is dang near the same.
Old 03-29-2017, 02:12 PM
  #20  
AZGASSER
Drifting
 
AZGASSER's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2002
Location: Central MO
Posts: 1,571
Received 289 Likes on 211 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 1rawTA
Keep me in the loop as far as numbers, Are you going to be running straight 93 with no meth? If so this the exact combo i am planning to go with. I have my eyes on the Cordes upper pulley fyi
No meth and we only have 91 octane here in AZ. I do run some TORCO to boost the octane for the drag strip and 1/2 mile events.


Quick Reply: Let's talk pulley's



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:54 AM.