[ANSWERED] New oil fill 0w40
#101
Bulletin 18-NA-129, April 20, 2018 specifically states the 0W40 oil is permitted in ALL C7 Corvettes, except the LT5. Two dealerships tried to tell me I was on the hook for the difference between the previously recommended oil and the 0W-40, stating the price of the new oil is over $11.00 per liter. The Corvette Quality engineer was upset, telling me the dealer cost is only $0.55 different. He called the two dealers and straightened them out. I had the oil on my 2016 Z51 changed on Thursday with the 0W40 Mobil 1, for no cost.
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#102
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Bulletin 18-NA-129, April 20, 2018 specifically states the 0W40 oil is permitted in ALL C7 Corvettes, except the LT5. Two dealerships tried to tell me I was on the hook for the difference between the previously recommended oil and the 0W-40, stating the price of the new oil is over $11.00 per liter. The Corvette Quality engineer was upset, telling me the dealer cost is only $0.55 different. He called the two dealers and straightened them out. I had the oil on my 2016 Z51 changed on Thursday with the 0W40 Mobil 1, for no cost.
Do you understand that your anecdotal recollection about a "Corvette Quality engineer" does no-one else any good? You can be the nicest guy on the Corvette Forum, but I can't take your unsupported opinion to the dealer as any proof of anything!
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Actually GM released a bulletin a couple months ago stating the new oil would be required, but most dealers didn't order until there were 2019's being delivered.
We ordered a few dozen cases 2 months ago, received half a couple weeks ago and another 20 cases this week. It was back ordered from most of GM's oil suppliers, but they're delivering by the date the order was placed. If your dealer doesn't have it, they we're asleep at the wheel when it should have been ordered.
The new bulletin does say the new Mobil One ESP 0w40 is authorized for use in the 2014-2018 Corvettes as well, but there is nothing about them covering it under warranty. As I understand it currently, owners are OK to use the new oil, but it's not covered under the maintenance plan.
The new oil is a little more expensive and we typically lose $3-$6 dollars on every 5w30 Mobil One oil change we do so losing more for an oil that's not required is not going to happen.
It will likely be a while. GM stated it's currently for use only when performing oil changes at the dealership. We are not allowed to sell over the counter as of yet.
GM probably doesn't want owners of 2014-2018 Corvettes thinking they need the new oil and buying it before owners of 2019 vehicles are able to get maintenance done on their vehicles that require it.
RICH
We ordered a few dozen cases 2 months ago, received half a couple weeks ago and another 20 cases this week. It was back ordered from most of GM's oil suppliers, but they're delivering by the date the order was placed. If your dealer doesn't have it, they we're asleep at the wheel when it should have been ordered.
The new bulletin does say the new Mobil One ESP 0w40 is authorized for use in the 2014-2018 Corvettes as well, but there is nothing about them covering it under warranty. As I understand it currently, owners are OK to use the new oil, but it's not covered under the maintenance plan.
The new oil is a little more expensive and we typically lose $3-$6 dollars on every 5w30 Mobil One oil change we do so losing more for an oil that's not required is not going to happen.
It will likely be a while. GM stated it's currently for use only when performing oil changes at the dealership. We are not allowed to sell over the counter as of yet.
GM probably doesn't want owners of 2014-2018 Corvettes thinking they need the new oil and buying it before owners of 2019 vehicles are able to get maintenance done on their vehicles that require it.
RICH
#103
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Unfortunately, I agree.
In fact the bulletin specifically mentions only 2019 MY Corvettes.
A lawyer looking at the bulletin might even claim that GM is intentionally not authorizing 0W-40 for anything older than 2019, regardless of who is paying for the oil change.
I'm sure this will get straightened out some day, and any C7 will be allowed to use 0W-40 for both street and track. But not yet.
In fact the bulletin specifically mentions only 2019 MY Corvettes.
A lawyer looking at the bulletin might even claim that GM is intentionally not authorizing 0W-40 for anything older than 2019, regardless of who is paying for the oil change.
I'm sure this will get straightened out some day, and any C7 will be allowed to use 0W-40 for both street and track. But not yet.
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Bulletin 18-NA-129 is not available anywhere on the 'net where the general public can review and copy it.
Do you understand that your anecdotal recollection about a "Corvette Quality engineer" does no-one else any good? You can be the nicest guy on the Corvette Forum, but I can't take your unsupported opinion to the dealer as any proof of anything!
Did you read this post from one of our Premium Supporting Dealers?
Do you understand that your anecdotal recollection about a "Corvette Quality engineer" does no-one else any good? You can be the nicest guy on the Corvette Forum, but I can't take your unsupported opinion to the dealer as any proof of anything!
Did you read this post from one of our Premium Supporting Dealers?
More unfortunately, a "Corvette Quality Engineer" does not get to make warranty decisions, I'm not even sure that Tadge has full authority in that area. Bean counters run a lot of things.
As previously mentioned, I'm confident that the 0W-40 will eventually be approved for all C7's. But at this moment, anyone who uses it in a pre-2019 C7 is taking a very small chance of warranty denial.
Hopefully, we'll soon be able to read and print a copy of the bulletin and end the discussion.
#105
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M1 has the new 0w-40 ESP up on the US website, now. https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-esp
I think the only reason they put it on the ESP brand is so they could charge more for it. The last thing a Corvette owner cares about is it's emissions system.
I think the only reason they put it on the ESP brand is so they could charge more for it. The last thing a Corvette owner cares about is it's emissions system.
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M1 has the new 0w-40 ESP up on the US website, now. https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-esp
I think the only reason they put it on the ESP brand is so they could charge more for it. The last thing a Corvette owner cares about is it's emissions system.
I think the only reason they put it on the ESP brand is so they could charge more for it. The last thing a Corvette owner cares about is it's emissions system.
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And we should care too, because fixing that emissions system once out of warranty can get expensive. And oils that are good for the emissions system are also cleaner so you will have less deposits inside your engine, something very important for direct injected engines.
#108
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May 1st Update.
I just have returned from my 2nd/final 2 year scheduled free maintenance oil change, and I was able to get a fill with the 0W40 Part #19353135
Some things that may have helped my case:
1) Before setting the appointment, I called the service manager directly, and asked something like "are you willing to refill with the new Mobil1 OW40 Dexos 2 oil (Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W-40) is that is also the recommended oil for all C7's prior to 2019?"? He answered in the affirmative, so I scheduled my appointment.
2) Prior to the service event, I had ordered and installed the new GM 0W40 oil filler cap {thanks Trunk Monkey (Suburban Chev) }
So, when the service writer opened the hood, I observed him looking specifically at the cap, and he came back to the desk to remark that for sure, the engine has a 0W40 oil cap.
So, the service event went as planned. My 2016 Stingray has 0W40 oil, and we're ready for a summer of fun!
I just have returned from my 2nd/final 2 year scheduled free maintenance oil change, and I was able to get a fill with the 0W40 Part #19353135
Some things that may have helped my case:
1) Before setting the appointment, I called the service manager directly, and asked something like "are you willing to refill with the new Mobil1 OW40 Dexos 2 oil (Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W-40) is that is also the recommended oil for all C7's prior to 2019?"? He answered in the affirmative, so I scheduled my appointment.
2) Prior to the service event, I had ordered and installed the new GM 0W40 oil filler cap {thanks Trunk Monkey (Suburban Chev) }
So, when the service writer opened the hood, I observed him looking specifically at the cap, and he came back to the desk to remark that for sure, the engine has a 0W40 oil cap.
So, the service event went as planned. My 2016 Stingray has 0W40 oil, and we're ready for a summer of fun!
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Bulletin 18-NA-129 is not available anywhere on the 'net where the general public can review and copy it.
Do you understand that your anecdotal recollection about a "Corvette Quality engineer" does no-one else any good? You can be the nicest guy on the Corvette Forum, but I can't take your unsupported opinion to the dealer as any proof of anything!
Did you read this post from one of our Premium Supporting Dealers?
Do you understand that your anecdotal recollection about a "Corvette Quality engineer" does no-one else any good? You can be the nicest guy on the Corvette Forum, but I can't take your unsupported opinion to the dealer as any proof of anything!
Did you read this post from one of our Premium Supporting Dealers?
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#110
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I had the oil change done at Jack Maxton Chevrolet in Columbus Ohio. They used the new 0W40 Mobil 1, as per the quoted bulletin. - [snip] - Unfortunately I can't hand this to you on a silver platter, but the work has been done. Take some initiative and press the issue for yourself. The heavy lifting has been done.
To use your own works, no-one every asked you to hand this on a silver platter. Take some initiative and read an entire thread column for yourself before posting. I didn't need your "heavy lifting" and my work was already complete before you set your fingers to the keyboard.
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All that good information, and unfortunately, you had to end your post with unnecessary snark.
To use your own works, no-one every asked you to hand this on a silver platter. Take some initiative and read an entire thread column for yourself before posting. I didn't need your "heavy lifting" and my work was already complete before you set your fingers to the keyboard.
To use your own works, no-one every asked you to hand this on a silver platter. Take some initiative and read an entire thread column for yourself before posting. I didn't need your "heavy lifting" and my work was already complete before you set your fingers to the keyboard.
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Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W-40 has the General Motors Service Fill dexos2™ approval, which is required for all 2010 and onward new GM/Opel/Vauxhall/Chevrolet Diesel and Gasoline models. GM/Opel have advised that dexos2™ specification is backward compatible to older GM/Opel specifications (GM-LL-A-025 and GM-LL-B-025). The majority of GM/Opel/Vauxhall/Chevrolet Diesel and Gasoline vehicles can use dexos2™ lubricants.https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-esp
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Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W-40 has the General Motors Service Fill dexos2™ approval, which is required for all 2010 and onward new GM/Opel/Vauxhall/Chevrolet Diesel and Gasoline models. GM/Opel have advised that dexos2™ specification is backward compatible to older GM/Opel specifications (GM-LL-A-025 and GM-LL-B-025). The majority of GM/Opel/Vauxhall/Chevrolet Diesel and Gasoline vehicles can use dexos2™ lubricants.https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-esp
Is it supposed to say that?
I know the car was built before the oil was invented.
Thanks!
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May 1st Update.
I just have returned from my 2nd/final 2 year scheduled free maintenance oil change, and I was able to get a fill with the 0W40 Part #19353135
Some things that may have helped my case:
1) Before setting the appointment, I called the service manager directly, and asked something like "are you willing to refill with the new Mobil1 OW40 Dexos 2 oil (Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W-40) is that is also the recommended oil for all C7's prior to 2019?"? He answered in the affirmative, so I scheduled my appointment.
2) Prior to the service event, I had ordered and installed the new GM 0W40 oil filler cap {thanks Trunk Monkey (Suburban Chev) }
So, when the service writer opened the hood, I observed him looking specifically at the cap, and he came back to the desk to remark that for sure, the engine has a 0W40 oil cap.
So, the service event went as planned. My 2016 Stingray has 0W40 oil, and we're ready for a summer of fun!
I just have returned from my 2nd/final 2 year scheduled free maintenance oil change, and I was able to get a fill with the 0W40 Part #19353135
Some things that may have helped my case:
1) Before setting the appointment, I called the service manager directly, and asked something like "are you willing to refill with the new Mobil1 OW40 Dexos 2 oil (Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W-40) is that is also the recommended oil for all C7's prior to 2019?"? He answered in the affirmative, so I scheduled my appointment.
2) Prior to the service event, I had ordered and installed the new GM 0W40 oil filler cap {thanks Trunk Monkey (Suburban Chev) }
So, when the service writer opened the hood, I observed him looking specifically at the cap, and he came back to the desk to remark that for sure, the engine has a 0W40 oil cap.
So, the service event went as planned. My 2016 Stingray has 0W40 oil, and we're ready for a summer of fun!
Tim
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May 1st Update.
I just have returned from my 2nd/final 2 year scheduled free maintenance oil change, and I was able to get a fill with the 0W40 Part #19353135
Some things that may have helped my case:
1) Before setting the appointment, I called the service manager directly, and asked something like "are you willing to refill with the new Mobil1 OW40 Dexos 2 oil (Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W-40) is that is also the recommended oil for all C7's prior to 2019?"? He answered in the affirmative, so I scheduled my appointment.
2) Prior to the service event, I had ordered and installed the new GM 0W40 oil filler cap {thanks Trunk Monkey (Suburban Chev) }
So, when the service writer opened the hood, I observed him looking specifically at the cap, and he came back to the desk to remark that for sure, the engine has a 0W40 oil cap.
So, the service event went as planned. My 2016 Stingray has 0W40 oil, and we're ready for a summer of fun!
I just have returned from my 2nd/final 2 year scheduled free maintenance oil change, and I was able to get a fill with the 0W40 Part #19353135
Some things that may have helped my case:
1) Before setting the appointment, I called the service manager directly, and asked something like "are you willing to refill with the new Mobil1 OW40 Dexos 2 oil (Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W-40) is that is also the recommended oil for all C7's prior to 2019?"? He answered in the affirmative, so I scheduled my appointment.
2) Prior to the service event, I had ordered and installed the new GM 0W40 oil filler cap {thanks Trunk Monkey (Suburban Chev) }
So, when the service writer opened the hood, I observed him looking specifically at the cap, and he came back to the desk to remark that for sure, the engine has a 0W40 oil cap.
So, the service event went as planned. My 2016 Stingray has 0W40 oil, and we're ready for a summer of fun!
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Here's the "oil cap chronology" from our 2017 Z51.
First time I ever replaced a factory oil cap.
Factory cap, Mobil-1 cap, 0W-40 cap.
First time I ever replaced a factory oil cap.
Factory cap, Mobil-1 cap, 0W-40 cap.
#118
Bulletin 18-NA-129, April 20, 2018 specifically states the 0W40 oil is permitted in ALL C7 Corvettes, except the LT5. Two dealerships tried to tell me I was on the hook for the difference between the previously recommended oil and the 0W-40, stating the price of the new oil is over $11.00 per liter. The Corvette Quality engineer was upset, telling me the dealer cost is only $0.55 different. He called the two dealers and straightened them out. I had the oil on my 2016 Z51 changed on Thursday with the 0W40 Mobil 1, for no cost.
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Don't feel bad, I couldn't find it anywhere either. But it's real, my dealer finally found it and someone posted a copy in one of the various threads about the 0W-40.
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