racebum

in .75 the sundowns will sound really deep. should be great with dance and hip hop. to get rid of that resonance and 50hz sound in a w6 you need .9cuft

might work in .75 stuffed to ****. they spec .55 but that's like a qtc .800. good for rock music and not much else. the c5z has a LOT of cabin gain though so it's quite possible a 10w6 would work well in .75 and worst case you go -1 at 50 or 63hz with a narrow Q on the EQ

just depends on if you need more bass. the w6 has substantially more output but it's also a 10 bolt driver not a conventional 8 which could be a fitment issue if you have T nuts and bolts for a hold down system

02BlownZ06

You know what I did stuff them full of polyfill and they sound really smooth, get down deep and not too boomy. Very solid, accurate low end. Not perfect but close. I will prolly live with this for now and plan a new custom enclosure for down the road. How would two jl 10w6's sound in the right enclosure in a c5? I would think incredible.

racebum

i have one 12w6v3 in 1.4cu/ft net in an 05 4runner and it gets loud enough my ears can actually hurt. not quite enough to totally blur your vision going down the road but it does have a slight effect on you. 2 10w6s will have similar output as 1 - 12 but able to take more power thus besting them by a couple db.

with all the cabin gain you have in a c5z it would probably be able to get louder than you will realistically want to listen to. couple those with a set of hybrids or elates up front and various options out back and you would have one hell of a system

02BlownZ06

I would love to run two 10w6's but I don't think I want to dedicate that much of an enclosure and take up that much space in the rear. I am kind of leaning towards the 12w6 in a custom enclosure in the rear well. That combined with the Morels would sound great I bet. Next would be to upgrade to Class A/B on the mids and tweets amp. You think the JL is the way to go there?

racebum

for the money you won't beat a 300/4v3 and it also fits under your passenger seat with no issue. money has to go up quite a lot to get into the top tier zapco or especially audison if you want to try and get just a little better....or for a lot more you could get an audison thesis which seriously smokes it

12w6v3 could work in the back but that's a LOT of sub in a c5z. if you do the math and come up with 1.5 cubic feet gross which is 1.4 net they do really really well. may even be able to scoot by slightly smaller if you had to

10w6v3 only needs .85 to .9 net and with all the cabin gain you have would also work...but it is less output. depends on how you do the box really. most of the flush center boxes are around .9 to 1.0. if that came up a bit you could probably hit 1.3 to 1.4 for the 12

i mean my exact system is morel hybrids in front, tempo ultra in the back, 300/4v3 for highs, 600/1v3 for the 12w6v3

paid 375 for the 300/4v3, 420 for the 600/1v3, 500 for the hybrids and 220 for the ultras, 425 for the 12w6v3 and 550 for the alpine 960 hdmi

02BlownZ06

I would love to sit in your ride and audition your system. I am gradually gravitating towards that. In the meantime I am having some serious fun with my old school Rockford power gear and the new Alpine head unit. You said it....night and f'ing day!!

racebum

it's pretty good for what i have in it. does extremely well if you have the volume up

in a c5z i would make a couple changes. i would either use the morel hybrid front and rear or tempo ultra front and rear, the reason why is because those rear 5.25s are pointed right at you and have as much impact as the front. in the 4 runner the rears are in the back doors behind the seat at shoe level. it's all about the front stage in that vehicle. i also might try a 10w6 in a c5z simply because that car has SO much cabin gain and can utilize that small .8 to .9 cuft enclosure which means the center could be 100% flush with the rest of the back deck

the hybrid is where morel's exotic line starts. they are all made in israel. tweeters cross at 2200hz and up. they take obscene amounts of power. the reason they are called a hybrid is the magnet on the woofer it's mostly neodymium with some ferrite. speaker is extremely light and has no real visible magnet structure. that's why. high powered neo which is what all their exotic drivers have gone to

carls2004

As i was gonna attempt a new Alpine INE-W960HDMI or the INE-W960 (which one??) to replace my Pioneer AVH-5700 ... As im chasing a muddy mid's and sometimes low sub like someone messed with my deck. But one member said naaa will be no improvement . Was sent to this post, but was also recommended to possibly get rid of this amp i have bridged .
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HELIX-DARK-B...YAAOxyIPNTdp7C

racebum

there is no question there will be a substantial difference. the problems you mention are the same many of us have had with pioneer

and yes get a better amp

02BlownZ06

I haven't heard a lot about Helix other than I heard their cheaper stuff is marginal and is considered ok stuff, but their higher end pieces are true high end car audio. This is just from things I have read, not firsthand experience, but yeah I would lean towards something different in the amplifier arena like JL Audio, Rockford Fosgate, Arc Audio, Audison, Zapco, Mosconi or the like.

I believe the only difference on head units between 960 and 960hdmi is the addition of an hdmi input and maybe an updated map card.

carls2004

Just picked up the Alpine INE-W960HDMI for $506.25 locally that my work place (chrysler dealer) uses .. I think he goofed as i stated in a email to the place a price from amazon on a INE-960 which isnt H.D. He said he match it.. So i guess i got good deal and has the SiriusXM SXV300v1 Connect in the box..
Next question is do i need the e,brake over ride from Alpine... ????
Will also be digging out my old reliable Boston GT-42 now to try ...

carls2004

Just picked up the Alpine INE-W960HDMI for $506.25 locally that my work place (chrysler dealer) uses .. I think he goofed as i stated in a email to the place a price from amazon on a INE-960 which isnt H.D. He said he match it.. So i guess i got good deal and has the SiriusXM SXV300v1 Connect in the box..
Next question is do i need the e,brake over ride from Alpine... ????
Will also be digging out my old reliable Boston GT-42 now to try ...

racebum

wow. that's basically cost. good buy

you will need a bypass. ebay seller bestbypass has a great deal on them for $7

carls2004

Yes great deal..........

Is that alpines micro one....

racebum

you actually only need a 3 wire for the 960 while most alpines need a 4 wire.

those bypasses should mostly all be the same from best bypass

carls2004

I couldnt find the seller. ?

Where i bought the deck theysaid i need this.
PAC TR-7

racebum

will work just a more expensive version of it

sellers name is literally bestbypass

02BlownZ06

This is the one I bought. It was a little more than Racebum's but it worked perfectly ($12.99) http://www.ebay.com/itm/BYPASS-FOR-A...72.m2749.l2649

You won't need one of the wires and this one allows all functions to work no matter what. Also, Racebum is very knowledgeable on this stuff and his advice has been 100% spot on.

02BlownZ06

Sweet!! Great price and you will love the sound quality of this head unit.

racebum

thank ya