Radar gun that can tell if you are texting!
10-16-2018, 07:07 AM
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Radar gun that can tell if you are texting!
If this sentence isn't an eye opener!!
"According to a National Safety Council report, texting and driving causes 330,000 crashes annually, making it six times more likely to cause an accident than drunk driving."
http://cdllife.com/2018/police-radar...xting-driving/
A Virginia-based company is developing a new radar gun that not only detects speeding, but texting and driving as well.
The new radar guns detect radio frequencies emitted from cell phones. When a text message is sent, the phone emits a distinct frequency, allowing officers to see the violation.
By pairing the new radar with Range-r technology, officers can discern which area of the vehicle the text was sent from. This helps eliminate false claims that the text message was sent by a passenger.
ComSonics hopes that the new tech will keep the roads safe and driver’s eyes away from their phones.
According to a National Safety Council report, texting and driving causes 330,000 crashes annually, making it six times more likely to cause an accident than drunk driving.
This is a technology that could save lives.
"According to a National Safety Council report, texting and driving causes 330,000 crashes annually, making it six times more likely to cause an accident than drunk driving."
http://cdllife.com/2018/police-radar...xting-driving/
A Virginia-based company is developing a new radar gun that not only detects speeding, but texting and driving as well.
The new radar guns detect radio frequencies emitted from cell phones. When a text message is sent, the phone emits a distinct frequency, allowing officers to see the violation.
By pairing the new radar with Range-r technology, officers can discern which area of the vehicle the text was sent from. This helps eliminate false claims that the text message was sent by a passenger.
ComSonics hopes that the new tech will keep the roads safe and driver’s eyes away from their phones.
According to a National Safety Council report, texting and driving causes 330,000 crashes annually, making it six times more likely to cause an accident than drunk driving.
This is a technology that could save lives.
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10-16-2018, 11:21 AM
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10-16-2018, 11:28 AM
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Curious, can it differentiate between a passenger or driver texting? I don't text while driving.. but I will text if needed and I am a passenger
10-16-2018, 02:13 PM
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I find it pretty hard to believe they could pinpoint a frequency within inches in a car traveling 70 mph.
10-16-2018, 08:56 PM
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So basically I need to lean into the passenger side of the car while texting to not get caught? I think I can do it, shouldn't be a problem. Let's just say problem solved. 
10-17-2018, 09:43 AM
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There's a couple of sentences that I have some.. um.. questions about.
1: The new radar guns detect radio frequencies emitted from cell phones. When a text message is sent, the phone emits a distinct frequency, allowing officers to see the violation.
Well, SMS uses standard voice (not data) communication via a separate control channel. For them to pick this out, they have to be sniffing voice data.. I'd have to talk to some people who do protocol-level cell stuff.. but I don't believe that there's a different frequency - it should be the exact same frequency with a different channel ID. This sounds like BS.
2: By pairing the new radar with Range-r technology, officers can discern which area of the vehicle the text was sent from. This helps eliminate false claims that the text message was sent by a passenger.
Range-R is pretty established, but not sure how well it will work at 70mph. In a small car (say, a corvette) how would you even differentiate between a driver holding a phone in their right hand vs a passenger holding the phone in their left hand.
Something just smells 'off' here. Maybe something that's gray-area legal (like a Stingray).
Also, if I am using android auto/apple carplay and do a voice text.. this will still hit.. and show my phone in my console. They passed a hands-free law here, which is why I just upgraded to an Android Auto head unit.. now I can text without ever taking my phone out of the console.
1: The new radar guns detect radio frequencies emitted from cell phones. When a text message is sent, the phone emits a distinct frequency, allowing officers to see the violation.
Well, SMS uses standard voice (not data) communication via a separate control channel. For them to pick this out, they have to be sniffing voice data.. I'd have to talk to some people who do protocol-level cell stuff.. but I don't believe that there's a different frequency - it should be the exact same frequency with a different channel ID. This sounds like BS.
2: By pairing the new radar with Range-r technology, officers can discern which area of the vehicle the text was sent from. This helps eliminate false claims that the text message was sent by a passenger.
Range-R is pretty established, but not sure how well it will work at 70mph. In a small car (say, a corvette) how would you even differentiate between a driver holding a phone in their right hand vs a passenger holding the phone in their left hand.
Something just smells 'off' here. Maybe something that's gray-area legal (like a Stingray).
Also, if I am using android auto/apple carplay and do a voice text.. this will still hit.. and show my phone in my console. They passed a hands-free law here, which is why I just upgraded to an Android Auto head unit.. now I can text without ever taking my phone out of the console.
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10-17-2018, 11:01 AM
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To be honest, I can't really see this happening. And in the end, it won't be worth the effort either as manufacturer's are incorporating the phone into the cars infotainment center and making more and more functions hands-free and voice dependent.
10-20-2018, 09:28 PM
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This is false. Just gives cops PC to pull someone over. Lawyers will have a field day with this.
12-01-2018, 12:53 PM
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Well, I’ll go out on a very confident limb and say that’s false, unless they have found a way to exploit physics...
Cell phones communicate over different channels on the uplink over 700/850/1700/1900/2100/2600/and higher for some LTE bands. These communications are happening full time, as the cell phone and tower communicate through the pilot channel measuring signal strength and separately for quality so the phone knows when to switch towers, also measuring the neighbor cell towers broadcasted on a separate channnel from the serving cell tower.
While some modulation schemes could reveal where in the frequency the focus area of signal strenth is, it’s also possible to have overlap on a neighbor channel. Mind you, several other forms of data or SMS could be nestled away in these specific frequencies. For example google maps, and apples iMessage will be in the same slot. Sooo.... they would need to decrypt the data. There is currently no super conputer they can fit in a police cruiser that has the processing power to decrypt real time anything on 3G or 4G. Not even 2G without knowing the encryption key will happen that fast.
So, I’ll say that this is impossible for the foreseeable future.
Now, in magic world, let’s assume they have defied physics, cracked the encryption real time, and can determine via radio frequency deconfliction(not a real term btw) what channel, time slot, and event your phone is in. Radio frequencies propagate in so many different fashions that the geometry inside your car will make it near impossible to determine exactly where the device making a text is coming from. The angle of the windshield, the openings of windows, and even the type of glass used would make it virtually impossible unless they’ve created a signature for every vehicle...
This myth is busted.
Cell phones communicate over different channels on the uplink over 700/850/1700/1900/2100/2600/and higher for some LTE bands. These communications are happening full time, as the cell phone and tower communicate through the pilot channel measuring signal strength and separately for quality so the phone knows when to switch towers, also measuring the neighbor cell towers broadcasted on a separate channnel from the serving cell tower.
While some modulation schemes could reveal where in the frequency the focus area of signal strenth is, it’s also possible to have overlap on a neighbor channel. Mind you, several other forms of data or SMS could be nestled away in these specific frequencies. For example google maps, and apples iMessage will be in the same slot. Sooo.... they would need to decrypt the data. There is currently no super conputer they can fit in a police cruiser that has the processing power to decrypt real time anything on 3G or 4G. Not even 2G without knowing the encryption key will happen that fast.
So, I’ll say that this is impossible for the foreseeable future.
Now, in magic world, let’s assume they have defied physics, cracked the encryption real time, and can determine via radio frequency deconfliction(not a real term btw) what channel, time slot, and event your phone is in. Radio frequencies propagate in so many different fashions that the geometry inside your car will make it near impossible to determine exactly where the device making a text is coming from. The angle of the windshield, the openings of windows, and even the type of glass used would make it virtually impossible unless they’ve created a signature for every vehicle...
This myth is busted.
12-01-2018, 12:57 PM
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I love our countries police force, and support them 100%, but this is shenanigans. Also unfair to people who don’t know any better.
12-11-2018, 11:44 AM
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If somebody falls victim to this, I’ll be their lawyer and cast shame on whatever law enforcement officer has believed in such a device.
I love our countries police force, and support them 100%, but this is shenanigans. Also unfair to people who don’t know any better.
12-13-2018, 10:37 PM
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01-15-2019, 12:46 PM
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If this sentence isn't an eye opener!!
"According to a National Safety Council report, texting and driving causes 330,000 crashes annually, making it six times more likely to cause an accident than drunk driving."
http://cdllife.com/2018/police-radar...xting-driving/
A Virginia-based company is developing a new radar gun that not only detects speeding, but texting and driving as well.
The new radar guns detect radio frequencies emitted from cell phones. When a text message is sent, the phone emits a distinct frequency, allowing officers to see the violation.
By pairing the new radar with Range-r technology, officers can discern which area of the vehicle the text was sent from. This helps eliminate false claims that the text message was sent by a passenger.
ComSonics hopes that the new tech will keep the roads safe and driver’s eyes away from their phones.
According to a National Safety Council report, texting and driving causes 330,000 crashes annually, making it six times more likely to cause an accident than drunk driving.
This is a technology that could save lives.
"According to a National Safety Council report, texting and driving causes 330,000 crashes annually, making it six times more likely to cause an accident than drunk driving."
http://cdllife.com/2018/police-radar...xting-driving/
A Virginia-based company is developing a new radar gun that not only detects speeding, but texting and driving as well.
The new radar guns detect radio frequencies emitted from cell phones. When a text message is sent, the phone emits a distinct frequency, allowing officers to see the violation.
By pairing the new radar with Range-r technology, officers can discern which area of the vehicle the text was sent from. This helps eliminate false claims that the text message was sent by a passenger.
ComSonics hopes that the new tech will keep the roads safe and driver’s eyes away from their phones.
According to a National Safety Council report, texting and driving causes 330,000 crashes annually, making it six times more likely to cause an accident than drunk driving.
This is a technology that could save lives.
