Alonso Bumped From Pole to 6th Starting Position
08-05-2007, 03:22 AM
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Alonso Bumped From Pole to 6th Starting Position
F1: Stewards Dismiss Alonso, McLaren Excuses
Written by: Adam Cooper, RACER Magazine
Budapest, Hungary – 8/4/2007
Written by: Adam Cooper, RACER Magazine
Budapest, Hungary – 8/4/2007
The race stewards at the Hungaroring have decided to demote
the McLaren driver after reviewing evidence from today's qualifying
session, where the Spaniard held up teammate Lewis Hamilton in the
pits, causing the Briton to miss out on a final flying lap and possible
pole.
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the McLaren driver after reviewing evidence from today's qualifying
session, where the Spaniard held up teammate Lewis Hamilton in the
pits, causing the Briton to miss out on a final flying lap and possible
pole.
08-05-2007, 05:02 AM
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Le Mans Master
I did like Hamilton's comment in the interview
Q: And just to finish, you didn’t get in a second quick lap. By how much time did you miss getting in a second quick lap?
LH: I would think by the same amount of time that I was held up in the pit stop.
LH: I would think by the same amount of time that I was held up in the pit stop.
08-05-2007, 12:24 PM
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How could Fernado have imagined the outcome of that tactic
shaping up any way other than badly?
If he'd been less desperate and more mature, imagine how the
race would have ended today.
Instead, he finds himself in a much different scenario ...
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shaping up any way other than badly?
If he'd been less desperate and more mature, imagine how the
race would have ended today.
Instead, he finds himself in a much different scenario ...
.
08-05-2007, 12:58 PM
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I don't see how they dictate what goes on in his own pits? On track, understandable. But, with the teams allowed only one pitstop, the punishment should have come from the team.
Some serious internal issues on that team. Looks like Alonso is really getting shafted internally and he won't be with them next year.
Some serious internal issues on that team. Looks like Alonso is really getting shafted internally and he won't be with them next year.
08-05-2007, 10:46 PM
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I don't see how they dictate what goes on in his own pits? On track, understandable. But, with the teams allowed only one pitstop, the punishment should have come from the team.
Some serious internal issues on that team. Looks like Alonso is really getting shafted internally and he won't be with them next year.
Some serious internal issues on that team. Looks like Alonso is really getting shafted internally and he won't be with them next year.
08-06-2007, 01:58 AM
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Safety Car
Raikkonen (sp?) took fastest lap away on the last lap of the race, if I can believe the SpeedTV coverage, anyway.
08-06-2007, 07:33 AM
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Safety Car
08-06-2007, 09:36 AM
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Le Mans Master
However, I think FIA's action of suspending McLaren from gaining constructor's points was wrong. The team clearly intended to service both cars for a final flying lap; it was Alonso's 10 second delay after he was released that caused Hamilton to lose his chance.
Have a good one,
Mike
Last edited by VetteDrmr; 08-06-2007 at 09:58 AM. Reason: My brain wasn't working very well the first time...
08-06-2007, 12:47 PM
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Safety Car
So the punishment should have been Alonso not being allowed to score any points? :-)
08-06-2007, 12:54 PM
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It wasn't what McLaren did in the qualifying session that caused the penalty. It was McLaren's lack of disclosure to the FIA about what happened during qualifying that caused the penalty.
08-06-2007, 01:08 PM
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I admit I'm only reading the FIA press release from www.formula1.com, but it doesn't say anywhere that the lack of disclosure from McLaren determined the constructor's point penalty.
The stewards’ statement continued: “The actions of the team in the final minutes of Qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally. The penalty to be applied is that such points (if any) in the 2007 Formula One Constructors Championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix will be withdrawn.”
And, as far as Alonso's penalty goes, I think it should have been back to the rear of the Q3 group, 10th. Why they picked only halfway I don't understand, but then again I don't make enough money to comprehend FIA/FOCA.
Have a good one,
Mike
The stewards’ statement continued: “The actions of the team in the final minutes of Qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally. The penalty to be applied is that such points (if any) in the 2007 Formula One Constructors Championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix will be withdrawn.”
And, as far as Alonso's penalty goes, I think it should have been back to the rear of the Q3 group, 10th. Why they picked only halfway I don't understand, but then again I don't make enough money to comprehend FIA/FOCA.
Have a good one,
Mike
08-06-2007, 01:29 PM
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I admit I'm only reading the FIA press release from www.formula1.com, but it doesn't say anywhere that the lack of disclosure from McLaren determined the constructor's point penalty.
The stewards’ statement continued: “The actions of the team in the final minutes of Qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally. The penalty to be applied is that such points (if any) in the 2007 Formula One Constructors Championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix will be withdrawn.”
And, as far as Alonso's penalty goes, I think it should have been back to the rear of the Q3 group, 10th. Why they picked only halfway I don't understand, but then again I don't make enough money to comprehend FIA/FOCA.
Have a good one,
Mike
The stewards’ statement continued: “The actions of the team in the final minutes of Qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally. The penalty to be applied is that such points (if any) in the 2007 Formula One Constructors Championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix will be withdrawn.”
And, as far as Alonso's penalty goes, I think it should have been back to the rear of the Q3 group, 10th. Why they picked only halfway I don't understand, but then again I don't make enough money to comprehend FIA/FOCA.
Have a good one,
Mike
Is this the right thing to do? No, but it's their rules
08-06-2007, 01:41 PM
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Melting Slicks
08-06-2007, 03:08 PM
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X,
That's one of the most universal and profound truthes of any racing sanctioning body! SCCA, NASCAR, FIA; they all have stellar reputations in this area.
IRL and CCWS may be just as screwed up, but there's so little interest who would know?
Have a good one,
Mike
That's one of the most universal and profound truthes of any racing sanctioning body! SCCA, NASCAR, FIA; they all have stellar reputations in this area.
IRL and CCWS may be just as screwed up, but there's so little interest who would know?
Have a good one,
Mike
08-06-2007, 03:26 PM
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If the team wanted to penalize Alonso, they could have just pulled him from the car ala Speed. Statistically, Speed is doing better than Liuzzi but he's the one that got pulled.
Just an FYI, I've always hated Speed and wished we could get a good driver to represent America. They're desperate for one in F1, but who would want to go to that series? I also don't think they've ever been to Manteca or they'd stop mentioning it
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08-06-2007, 04:29 PM
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Gotcha. Makes more sense. They're so fickle they like to make rules as they go.
If the team wanted to penalize Alonso, they could have just pulled him from the car ala Speed. Statistically, Speed is doing better than Liuzzi but he's the one that got pulled.
Just an FYI, I've always hated Speed and wished we could get a good driver to represent America. They're desperate for one in F1, but who would want to go to that series? I also don't think they've ever been to Manteca or they'd stop mentioning it .
If the team wanted to penalize Alonso, they could have just pulled him from the car ala Speed. Statistically, Speed is doing better than Liuzzi but he's the one that got pulled.
Just an FYI, I've always hated Speed and wished we could get a good driver to represent America. They're desperate for one in F1, but who would want to go to that series? I also don't think they've ever been to Manteca or they'd stop mentioning it
.BTW.. I don't like Speed either. I hate his personality. I'd love to see Graham Rahal over there representing the US.
08-06-2007, 06:31 PM
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Oh, I wasn't questioning Gordon's suspension. I would have sat his *** out for 4 races. If you don't like the rules, you don't play on my playground. Total jackass.