L98Terror

Where'd you get that quote from?

wallyman424

i made it all up... ALL OF IT.

I find it interesting that scca seems to be speeding up T1 rather than restricting it down. Seems like the class as a whole is just getting more and more expensive.

Oh well, that's racing I suppose.

Tom03Z06

fix'd

L98Terror

There are options, I'm pretty sure some people spent more on Run Offs than I've spent on my entire season including a trip to Road Atlanta & Miller Motor Sports Park

Falcon

Did y'all read over on the SCCA forum how much that guy running the 430 spent to get the Ferrari ready for the Runoffs?

30 crew guys.

10 engines.

Unlimited tire budget.

Unlimited test track time.

The list was significant.

AU N EGL

and not that the F430 is a $50,000 car either. Think need to add a ZERO to the 50 Large

L98Terror

Yeah, I was talking some of about the cars that didn't win, I'm guessing that 430 team spent more to run the Run Offs than I spent the entire season + what I paid for my car and that's not including their car.

AU N EGL

I bet one of those f430 Engines is over a 100 grand by itself

L98Terror

That F430 in T1 is a joke, talk about buying a trophy. You can give a corvette all the brakes you want and they still will have no chance against an equal driver in a F430.

gkmccready

Base price for an F430 is $187,925. I couldn't find Challenge car pricing anywhere but I can't imagine it more than doubles the price. In comparison an '09 Viper is $89,340. '09 Base Corvette is $48,565 while the "Competition Sport Edition" is $54,815.

I did notice ST won the F430 Challenge in 2009 (or is leading it). That's a $24,000 entry fee for four races -- but it includes tires. Each additional race is another $3500.

AU N EGL

2009 Ferrari F430
Price Range:$187,925

2009 F430 Challenge
Base Price $282,618

or there about


But then again DEEPEST pockets put that car at the pointie end of the field

Driving Skill, and ST is a very good driver right to that that tip.

Falcon

After reviewing the list they posted over on the SCCA forum, I'd guess they spent between $1 mill and $2 mill.

To win an amateur race.

L98Terror

AU N EGL

for bragging rights, to say they beat Corvettes and Vipers?

Dont think the bells in Marrenello where ringing on Saturday

Short-Throw

The T1 times are closer to the GT2 times. Best lap time of that race was 2:20.841. That's marginally better than what ST ran in the 430 for qualifying. Crazy times the T1 class is running now. Last year a 2:24 would have sufficed. Now we have drivers pushing equipment harder thus taking much higher risks trying to keep pace and still falling short. Nobody has really discussed it, but there were plenty of incidents during qualifying week that made the field smaller.

SIK02SS

Wow, I didn't even realize that

ScaryFast

That's about what I go through in a race weekend as well.

30 cans of beer

10 jello shots

Unlimited burgers and brats

Unlimited time spent talking about racing

I guess I could have had a shot at a podium.

dsanders

That’s what I’m talking about!

One of the highlights of the week was my dad and I having dinner with Jerry Onks, his wife and Chris Brannon (AS guy) at Siebkens throwing some beers back and making fun of the Ferrari team and how much money they are spending to beat us.

CP Thunder

Dave.......heard you and my buddy Jerry had a good time of it!! Any video to be posted soon?

CP Thunder

Sent previously this year (early) to the CRB.......

To whom it may concern:

Please consider allowing an aftermarket caliper/rotor for the T1 Corvette. The PBR two piston caliper is inadequate at best and was never designed to withstand the rigors of racing. History shows repeated caliper failures resulting in damaged rotors which in turn present a major safety issue for any Corvette driver. These parts are ‘must replace’ frequently items and as they begin to fail (spread), cause overheating and cracking of the rotors due to maximum clamping force on a very small amount of rotor surface. I believe this is why the Corvettes see so many cracked rotors after just a bedding session and a single race.

Upgrading the C5 using OEM parts is cost prohibitive. The two possible upgrades available are the Z51 and Z06 brake systems. Both upgrades have larger rotor diameters therefore forcing all C5 drivers to purchase new wheels to clear either kit. Most racers use a minimum of three sets of wheels (two sets of dry and one set of wets mounted at all times). Replacing these three sets of wheels with new 18” units would run at minimum $7500 not including the cost of the brake upgrades themselves.

I have researched Wilwood calipers for the Corvette and have been advised by their technicians that the correct caliper for this car based on master cylinder / rotor size would be one of their six piston units which also utilize the stock C5 and C6 rotor (non-Z51) along with the stock master cylinder. This change in caliper design will allow for a much more even clamping force on rotors and possibly eliminate the broken rotor syndrome experienced with ‘push/pull’ calipers like the PBR unit. Wilwood also offered a wider 6 piston caliper that uses a two piece hat/1.25” rotor combination. This combination also uses the existing 17” wheels on the C5 and allows the C6 to run the smaller wheel combination also. This larger kit would virtually eliminate any brake failures due to use ‘other than intended’ on a race car.

The Wilwood kits are bolt on and come with brackets, lines, pads and mounting hardware. The caliper only kit retails for $1410 while the larger caliper and rotor kit retails for $1965. Again, neither requires the purchase of new wheels.

My request is to allow the front calipers on the Corvette to be open and to allow any rotor or rotor/hat combination that doesn’t exceed the original equipment diameter (allows for a thicker rotor if desired). Master cylinder must remain stock. Rotors must be of original composition.

Although allowed, our team doesn’t run the $4000 – $10,000 shocks that have been granted to the class, however, we would gladly spend the money to upgrade our brakes for the safety of our driver.

The pictures below depict the problems associated with the two piston PBR caliper, whether used on the Corvette, or the Mustang in T2/3. It’s virtually the same unit with the same characteristics.

If you would like to hear more from other T1 (and non-T1) drivers on the subject, please read:

http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/282276.aspx

Sincerely,

Steven Glaab
SCCA T1 #5 Crew Chief
Natha Waldbaum, Driver