China Company Enters WRC Tire Fray
09-16-2010, 11:33 AM
#1
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
China Company Enters WRC Tire Fray
How many years before we start driving on Dmack R compounds?
Dmack motorsport director Dick Cormack.Shandong Yongtai Chemical Group Co., part of the Yongtai Chemical Group, has become the first Chinese tire manufacturer to supply a top-flight motorsport series.
Earlier this week, Shandong Yongtai was named as the WRC’s second supplier after Groupe Michelin was confirmed. The tires will be branded Dmack and are aimed at privateer racing crews.
The products themselves are being manufactured at Yongtai’s factory in Dongying, China. The plant reportedly produces 22,000 tires a day for global distribution.
FIA regulations for 2011 encourage new tire manufacturers to enter the WRC, and Dmack Tyres appears to have taken full advantage of this. The technical rule changes apparently make it more achievable for a new tire manufacturer to reach the required standards and enter the world rally championship market. Work on Dmack’s gravel tires is already well underway and these products will be available for teams to test from the end of October.
Dick Cormack, Dmack’s motorsport director, commented: “This is a golden opportunity for Dmack Tyres to enter the FIA World Rally Championship market and the supreme competitive challenges and excellent brand exposure it has to offer. We studied the FIA’s new tire regulations for 2011 and decided to make a proposal.
“Technically the new regulations are very achievable for a new manufacturer and we based our proposal on bringing a very strong and durable product to the championship. We also wanted to help encourage more entries into the events by offering a two-tier pricing structure. Ongoing testing of the WRC tires is taking place at our research facility in China and at the hands of our test driver Mark Higgins. As the first Chinese tire manufacturer to enter the WRC, we see the opportunity to take the Dmack and Yongtai brands to a whole new level.” (Tyres & Accessories)
http://www.tirereview.com/Article/79...tire_fray.aspx
Dmack motorsport director Dick Cormack.Shandong Yongtai Chemical Group Co., part of the Yongtai Chemical Group, has become the first Chinese tire manufacturer to supply a top-flight motorsport series.
Earlier this week, Shandong Yongtai was named as the WRC’s second supplier after Groupe Michelin was confirmed. The tires will be branded Dmack and are aimed at privateer racing crews.
The products themselves are being manufactured at Yongtai’s factory in Dongying, China. The plant reportedly produces 22,000 tires a day for global distribution.
FIA regulations for 2011 encourage new tire manufacturers to enter the WRC, and Dmack Tyres appears to have taken full advantage of this. The technical rule changes apparently make it more achievable for a new tire manufacturer to reach the required standards and enter the world rally championship market. Work on Dmack’s gravel tires is already well underway and these products will be available for teams to test from the end of October.
Dick Cormack, Dmack’s motorsport director, commented: “This is a golden opportunity for Dmack Tyres to enter the FIA World Rally Championship market and the supreme competitive challenges and excellent brand exposure it has to offer. We studied the FIA’s new tire regulations for 2011 and decided to make a proposal.
“Technically the new regulations are very achievable for a new manufacturer and we based our proposal on bringing a very strong and durable product to the championship. We also wanted to help encourage more entries into the events by offering a two-tier pricing structure. Ongoing testing of the WRC tires is taking place at our research facility in China and at the hands of our test driver Mark Higgins. As the first Chinese tire manufacturer to enter the WRC, we see the opportunity to take the Dmack and Yongtai brands to a whole new level.” (Tyres & Accessories)
http://www.tirereview.com/Article/79...tire_fray.aspx
09-17-2010, 03:47 PM
#3
Le Mans Master
Consider F1, where Pirelli's new contract will run from 2011 to 2013.
Competition for this deal came from Michelin (Fr), Avon (UK, owned
by Cooper in the US), Kumho (Korea) and Hankook (Korea).
If in 1995 someone had proposed that within fifteen years, Corvettes
would be autocrossing on Kumhos, Porsches would be roadracing on
Hankooks and that drag racing events would be sponsored by Nitto,
much less than that Kumho and Hankook would be jockeying to supply
tires to F1, who here would not have been dubious.
As for the prospects of Shandong Yongtai, my vote is to start
practicing how to have the name roll off the tongue naturally.
Their Motorsports Director, Dick Cormack happens to be the former
Motorsport Mgr for Pirelli UK. In addition to his day job, he also rallied
Ford Escorts through the '90's and into the '00's.
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Competition for this deal came from Michelin (Fr), Avon (UK, owned
by Cooper in the US), Kumho (Korea) and Hankook (Korea).
If in 1995 someone had proposed that within fifteen years, Corvettes
would be autocrossing on Kumhos, Porsches would be roadracing on
Hankooks and that drag racing events would be sponsored by Nitto,
much less than that Kumho and Hankook would be jockeying to supply
tires to F1, who here would not have been dubious.
As for the prospects of Shandong Yongtai, my vote is to start
practicing how to have the name roll off the tongue naturally.
Their Motorsports Director, Dick Cormack happens to be the former
Motorsport Mgr for Pirelli UK. In addition to his day job, he also rallied
Ford Escorts through the '90's and into the '00's.
.
09-17-2010, 07:04 PM
#5
if they are safe, cheap, perform with 95% of the best and offer contingencies they will do well. Got to be safe first, tire isn't cheap when your sweeping up your car, or you so slow a street tire would be better.
I have no reason to doubt they can make a first rate product. The question isn't capability, it's what we have seen previously from China, the willingness to use dangerous materials and process that risk the consumer without remorse.
I have no reason to doubt they can make a first rate product. The question isn't capability, it's what we have seen previously from China, the willingness to use dangerous materials and process that risk the consumer without remorse.
09-17-2010, 09:54 PM
#7
Team Owner
if they are safe, cheap, perform with 95% of the best and offer contingencies they will do well. Got to be safe first, tire isn't cheap when your sweeping up your car, or you so slow a street tire would be better.
I have no reason to doubt they can make a first rate product. The question isn't capability, it's what we have seen previously from China, the willingness to use dangerous materials and process that risk the consumer without remorse.
I have no reason to doubt they can make a first rate product. The question isn't capability, it's what we have seen previously from China, the willingness to use dangerous materials and process that risk the consumer without remorse.
09-18-2010, 07:13 PM
#8
What has china ever made first rate? Nothing against the people but as long as the country is a dictatorship and soon to be a dangerous rival I'll try not to put a dime in their hand. They also manipulated their currency and never want to buy anything from the USA so they can stick it.
The chinese as an example make the worlds best mid to large trawler yachts, they make many of today's computers not just lenovo (a.k.a. IBM), the make very high quality machine tools. It depends on who helped set them up. Example, At present, AVIC Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Group is the sole supplier of Boeing 787 rudder, and it is also the only supplier of 747-8 aileron and spoiler. Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) is the sole supplier of Boeing 787 vertical stabilizer leading edge. Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation is the only supplier of Boeing 787 wing-body fairing panels.
These are not trivial parts on a composit dominated aircraft.
How about Ferrari & Fiat, "auto parts, is becoming one of the important cost reduction strategies by Fiat Group. Recently, Mr. Jack Cheng, Vice President of Procurement in the China Region, Fiat Group, indicates at our interview that, by 2010, the total procurement each year by Fiat will be no less than 1.5 billion euros in China. Mr. Jack Cheng joined Fiat Group early this year, in charge of building and expanding the global sourcing business in China for Fiat. According to Mr. Cheng, the staff number will amount to 150 by the end of year at the China
Headquarters of Fiat Group, which was just moved to Shanghai from Beijing at the beginning of 2007. Among them, about 100 will engage
in global sourcing. Fiat is accelerating its pace of sourcing in China. Concerning the correspondent's question on whether or not such a large-size sourcing plan could be implemented as scheduled, Mr. Cheng, with 10 years' experience in sourcing in China, shows his extreme confidence. Firstly, Fiat Global Sourcing Center has gathered information of about 4,000 excellent providers in China, so the start will be a smooth one. Secondly, in recent years, the rapid development of the Chinese automotive industry and, in particular, of the self-owned auto brands has improved the technical and quality level of the domestic auto parts producers by a large margin, of which some have entered the supply system of GM, Ford and Volkswagen. This way those enterprises will better meet the demands of the supply system in Fiat. Mr. Cheng expresses that Fiat intends to purchase high value-added products and products with ease of transport in China. According to him, today, the products produced by domestic enterprises in China including car-borne DVD player, GPS and other high-tech electronic products are already mature, so the procurement of Fiat will be directed towards those high value-added products with previous successful export. In conclusion, Mr. Cheng proudly and confidently says that the business of the global sourcing center of Fiat in China is just in its initial step. Hopefully, in the near future, the engine of Ferrari sports car will use the parts made in China."
Get used to Chinese, like you did Japanese
Last edited by grantar2; 09-18-2010 at 07:18 PM.
09-18-2010, 07:52 PM
#9
Team Owner
Actually their design and engineer prowess has come a long way. When you graduate as many engineers and scientists and other talents as they do you can go far. With company's such as Microsoft spending close to $0.75 of every R&D dollar there you build bench strength. Bottom line people once wrote off countries like Japan, Brazil and India. If they want something there are more than enough multinationals that will help them for the short term result vs. long term risk.
The chinese as an example make the worlds best mid to large trawler yachts, they make many of today's computers not just lenovo (a.k.a. IBM), the make very high quality machine tools. It depends on who helped set them up. Example, At present, AVIC Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Group is the sole supplier of Boeing 787 rudder, and it is also the only supplier of 747-8 aileron and spoiler. Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) is the sole supplier of Boeing 787 vertical stabilizer leading edge. Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation is the only supplier of Boeing 787 wing-body fairing panels.
These are not trivial parts on a composit dominated aircraft.
How about Ferrari & Fiat, "auto parts, is becoming one of the important cost reduction strategies by Fiat Group. Recently, Mr. Jack Cheng, Vice President of Procurement in the China Region, Fiat Group, indicates at our interview that, by 2010, the total procurement each year by Fiat will be no less than 1.5 billion euros in China. Mr. Jack Cheng joined Fiat Group early this year, in charge of building and expanding the global sourcing business in China for Fiat. According to Mr. Cheng, the staff number will amount to 150 by the end of year at the China
Headquarters of Fiat Group, which was just moved to Shanghai from Beijing at the beginning of 2007. Among them, about 100 will engage
in global sourcing. Fiat is accelerating its pace of sourcing in China. Concerning the correspondent's question on whether or not such a large-size sourcing plan could be implemented as scheduled, Mr. Cheng, with 10 years' experience in sourcing in China, shows his extreme confidence. Firstly, Fiat Global Sourcing Center has gathered information of about 4,000 excellent providers in China, so the start will be a smooth one. Secondly, in recent years, the rapid development of the Chinese automotive industry and, in particular, of the self-owned auto brands has improved the technical and quality level of the domestic auto parts producers by a large margin, of which some have entered the supply system of GM, Ford and Volkswagen. This way those enterprises will better meet the demands of the supply system in Fiat. Mr. Cheng expresses that Fiat intends to purchase high value-added products and products with ease of transport in China. According to him, today, the products produced by domestic enterprises in China including car-borne DVD player, GPS and other high-tech electronic products are already mature, so the procurement of Fiat will be directed towards those high value-added products with previous successful export. In conclusion, Mr. Cheng proudly and confidently says that the business of the global sourcing center of Fiat in China is just in its initial step. Hopefully, in the near future, the engine of Ferrari sports car will use the parts made in China."
Get used to Chinese, like you did Japanese
The chinese as an example make the worlds best mid to large trawler yachts, they make many of today's computers not just lenovo (a.k.a. IBM), the make very high quality machine tools. It depends on who helped set them up. Example, At present, AVIC Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Group is the sole supplier of Boeing 787 rudder, and it is also the only supplier of 747-8 aileron and spoiler. Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) is the sole supplier of Boeing 787 vertical stabilizer leading edge. Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation is the only supplier of Boeing 787 wing-body fairing panels.
These are not trivial parts on a composit dominated aircraft.
How about Ferrari & Fiat, "auto parts, is becoming one of the important cost reduction strategies by Fiat Group. Recently, Mr. Jack Cheng, Vice President of Procurement in the China Region, Fiat Group, indicates at our interview that, by 2010, the total procurement each year by Fiat will be no less than 1.5 billion euros in China. Mr. Jack Cheng joined Fiat Group early this year, in charge of building and expanding the global sourcing business in China for Fiat. According to Mr. Cheng, the staff number will amount to 150 by the end of year at the China
Headquarters of Fiat Group, which was just moved to Shanghai from Beijing at the beginning of 2007. Among them, about 100 will engage
in global sourcing. Fiat is accelerating its pace of sourcing in China. Concerning the correspondent's question on whether or not such a large-size sourcing plan could be implemented as scheduled, Mr. Cheng, with 10 years' experience in sourcing in China, shows his extreme confidence. Firstly, Fiat Global Sourcing Center has gathered information of about 4,000 excellent providers in China, so the start will be a smooth one. Secondly, in recent years, the rapid development of the Chinese automotive industry and, in particular, of the self-owned auto brands has improved the technical and quality level of the domestic auto parts producers by a large margin, of which some have entered the supply system of GM, Ford and Volkswagen. This way those enterprises will better meet the demands of the supply system in Fiat. Mr. Cheng expresses that Fiat intends to purchase high value-added products and products with ease of transport in China. According to him, today, the products produced by domestic enterprises in China including car-borne DVD player, GPS and other high-tech electronic products are already mature, so the procurement of Fiat will be directed towards those high value-added products with previous successful export. In conclusion, Mr. Cheng proudly and confidently says that the business of the global sourcing center of Fiat in China is just in its initial step. Hopefully, in the near future, the engine of Ferrari sports car will use the parts made in China."
Get used to Chinese, like you did Japanese
China cost hundreds of millions to the USA and the world in patent infringements and knock offs. Add that up to the jobs here. They knock off auto parts with fake logos and counterfeit parts. They suck and we do nothing all while the keep their markets closed to US products.
I am sure people will want to pay hundreds of thousands for a Ferrari with Chinese parts.
Last edited by John Shiels; 09-18-2010 at 08:00 PM.
