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Old 10-27-2010, 05:20 PM
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Default Titanium Lugnuts the best Safety Upgrade on the Market

Lightweight titanium lugnuts for your Corvette for both track or street. Extra long for deep bolt holes of custom rims. Lightweight for reducing rotating mass equals faster lap times.

A must for trackday cars.


Comparison of Grade 5 & 8 Steel vs 7075 Aluminum vs Grade 5 Titanium

Grade 5 Alloy Steel (commonly used on automobiles for lug nut and lug bolt applications)
Yield Strength: 92,000psi
Ultimate Tensile Strength: 120,000psi
Shear Strength: 72,000psi
Density: .284 lb/in^3

Grade 8 Alloy Steel (used for lug nuts and lug bolts in high strength applications):
Yield Strength: 130,000 psi
Ultimate Tensile Strength: 150,000psi
Shear Strength: 90,000psi
Density: .284 lb/in^3

7075 Aluminum (used on various automobiles for lug nut and lug bolt applications):
Yield Strength: 73,000psi
Ultimate Tensile Strength: 83,000psi
Shear Strength: 48,000psi
Density: .102 lb/in^3

Grade 5 6AL-4V Titanium (Tikore's preferred material):
Yield Strength: 128,000psi
Ultimate Tensile Strength: 138,000psi
Shear Strength: 79,800psi
Density: .160 lb/in^3
Additional note: Grade 5 Titanium will not rust.
As presented above, titanium bolts/nuts have a strength that is very comparable to grade 8 steel bolts/nuts that are used in high strength applications. Furthermore, based on the density figure above grade 5 titanium is 45% lighter than steel components.

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How many do you get for $600? 20?
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I gotta ask...what do 5 of them weigh?
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Racing is not cheap, yes you need the cage the hans and a lot more. It is the best out there and the material is not cheap and actually super expensive. Yes you get all 20 for that. Did I say stronger, longer, never rust and lighter. 45% lighter.

Most of our customers want the best when we build complete track- street cars. Most will not use 1.50 lug nuts on there 100,000 plus track cars. But you are welcome to do so. Budjet is a big factor, spend 1000.00 for factory repo wheels or 3000 to 9000 for true track wheels. Spend big money on rims and scratch them with short lugnuts that rust your thats your choice. This is a option.

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Also, dont most clubs require open lug nuts so they can see how much thread engagement you have? It might be worthwhile to make an open version, but that might take alot of the strength out of the long hex.
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Tough crowd.

I'll agree with most that these lug nuts are a bit out of reach for most grassroots racers, but as an entrepreneur wanna be, I have to admire the fact that you guys really went out on a limb here to offer a product that few others do or have.
There are folks out there that will spend the money for the best stuff. Heck just last week we all saw a guy with 3 C6Z's take one to a high dollar performance shop for a ton of expensive upgrades.
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Originally Posted by kubs
also, dont most clubs require open lug nuts so they can see how much thread engagement you have? It might be worthwhile to make an open version, but that might take alot of the strength out of the long hex.
^^^^^ this
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Wow!!

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A must for anyone who drives flat out............that's how I drive.
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No offense to the vendor....and I agree they are an option...just not a very cost effective one for this weekend warrior.
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Interference in a For Sale thread

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If you don’t like the price or item being offered in for sale thread, take it to e-mail or PMs. Better still, just move on to a thread that is offering something you like the price on.

If you post a criticism of the price or the quality of the item being offered, you will be in violation of Forum rules and subject to sanctions.

If you post your own for sale items to the for sale thread started by someone else, you also are in violation of Forum rules. Start your own thread, rather than jumping into the thread of someone else.

If your contribution to a for sale thread does not advance the sale, you are in the way.
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Originally Posted by OKsweetrides
Deleting posts is a forum equivalent to the Streisand effect. Fail.

That said, all the valid opinions are out there for a consumer to decide if the few grams of weight savings are worth the gains in their own mind.
Standby...
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Corvetteforum users (vendors or otherwise) are entitled to post items for sale and set a price. Potential buyers are entitled to pass and move on to another source if they don't like the price or the item being offered for sale.

The rules prohibit, however, interfering in a sale thread. If someone wants to open a generic thread about the relative merits of lug nuts of various designs and materials, okay; but stay out of threads where specific lug nuts are being offered for sale.

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Originally Posted by savewave
Corvetteforum users (vendors or otherwise) are entitled to post items for sale and set a price. Potential buyers are entitled to pass and move on to another source if they don't like the price or the item being offered for sale.

The rules prohibit, however, interfering in a sale thread. If someone wants to open a generic thread about the relative merits of lug nuts of various designs and materials, okay; but stay out of threads where specific lug nuts are being offered for sale.

I guess if you want to follow the "rules" you should move this to the for sale section then.
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I guess if you want to follow the "rules" you should move this to the for sale section then.
The rules allow vendors to post sale threads in general discussion sections. If you have questions or comments on the operation of the site or the moderation of threads, the rules provide that you use PMs or e-mails to pursue the issue:

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This again might be out of reach for some and in reach for others. If you are deciding between pads and this, then it is not for you. Again it is pricey but it is Titanium. If Longer, Stronger and lighter means something to you then it is for you. We run them in our track cars and so do some of our customers. But again the budget on these cars are very high and cost is not much of a factor.

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Ernie,

A few questions if I may:

1. Do you have any specific data in controlled conditions to support the claim that these titanium lugs do indeed represent "the best" safety upgrade on the market?

2. What criteria are you using to quantify "best" as used in this context?
examples might be:
a) Coolest looking
b) Least likely to be responsible for death or injury
c) Least likely to be responsible for death or injury per dollar spent represented as a ratio

3. Do you provide or recommend an anti-seize lubricant to prevent galling between the 6/4 ti and cast 352.0 or billet 6061 alloy typically used in race wheels and the rolled & forged 4140 steel used in ARP wheel studs? Particularly interested in your solution for the galvanic corrosion that takes place between titanium and aluminum alloys.

4. Do you have any comment regarding 6/4 ti's relative low thermal conductivity, which is less than half of the OEM steel lugs and about 40x less than 7075 T6 commonly used in forged aluminum lugs? (those puppies must get and stay hot!)

A few more questions but this will do for a start. This is all very interesting to me as a guy who spends a fair amount of time handling race wheels, driving Z06's, torquing lugs and whatnot.
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Originally Posted by bpproducts
If you are deciding between pads and this, then it is not for you.
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They need to add this to the "flat out" video.
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Originally Posted by bpproducts
This again might be out of reach for some and in reach for others. If you are deciding between pads and this, then it is not for you. Again it is pricey but it is Titanium. If Longer, Stronger and lighter means something to you then it is for you. We run them in our track cars and so do some of our customers. But again the budget on these cars are very high and cost is not much of a factor.

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Sir, why do you again choose to insult your customer base by implying a $600 part is out of reach for those of us who choose not to buy your product? I'm sorry, but everybody in this forum owns and races Corvettes, we can afford your lug nuts. If we choose not to buy them it is because we do not believe the present a reasonable value position. Further, as those of us who track our vehicles we generally can't run close-ended lug nuts. You seem to have chosen to ignore our suggestions that you may want to consider an open-ended version of your product to truly provide a viable part for the AutoX/RR crowd.

Also, in this most recent post you claim they are

Originally Posted by bpproducts
If Longer, Stronger and lighter means something to you then it is for you.
Yet by your own numbers Grade 8 is provably the stronger material.

Could you please elaborate on how you define your part as stronger? Could you also show quantitative data showing the safety benefits of the parts.

Thank you,
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