Does this rear spoiler add any significant downforce?
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Does this rear spoiler add any significant downforce?
I installed this on the car just because I like how it looks. It is the GM part that is used on the ZHZ Hertz rental Corvettes. That was before the car's first track day, so I have no 'before spoiler' data.
It is about the same size as the Z06 spoiler, but doesn't have the notch-out in the middle.
Do you think this spoiler generates any significant downforce? I'm thinking it doesn't, because it is just too small. It may improve the aerodynamic drag slightly by re-attaching the air flow coming off the rear window. Or it may just add drag.
Does anyone have any before-and-after experience with this spoiler?
Or does anyone have (or know where I could find) any actual scientific data on this spoiler? I google searched for about an hour, but found nothing.
I would also appreciate educated opinions about this spoiler from some folks who have used other spoilers.
Here are some photos:
It is about the same size as the Z06 spoiler, but doesn't have the notch-out in the middle.
Do you think this spoiler generates any significant downforce? I'm thinking it doesn't, because it is just too small. It may improve the aerodynamic drag slightly by re-attaching the air flow coming off the rear window. Or it may just add drag.
Does anyone have any before-and-after experience with this spoiler?
Or does anyone have (or know where I could find) any actual scientific data on this spoiler? I google searched for about an hour, but found nothing.
I would also appreciate educated opinions about this spoiler from some folks who have used other spoilers.
Here are some photos:
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Race Director
I have a homemade spoiler of similar dimensions, probably a bit taller, and I feel it did help some. My test corner was coming out of turn 2 at VIR. I feel I'm able to be on full throttle a bit sooner with the spoiler, and in a Vette that's my top priority.
It wont let you go flat out through the uphill S's, but it will add some grip in the back!
It wont let you go flat out through the uphill S's, but it will add some grip in the back!
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http://www.acproducts.us/corvetteracebod.htm
ACP makes a spoiler that looks pretty similar and deems it "wind tunnel tested!"
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not much in my opinion as the shape is not even molded into the car it has a thick lip / edge laying on the body which will make huge drag for what it is.
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I agree with you John. The leading edge looks like it would produce a lot of drag diminishing any benefit of downforce.
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Whoever built this spoiler compromised function for a simpler mold. The areas highlighted below cause airflow detachment resulting in lift.
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I always wondered why the C6R ran both the spoiler AND the wing??? I think the C5R did it as well, except the spoiler was built into the rear fascia.
Seems like the spoiler would slow the air beneath the wing...which is a BAD thing right?
Anyone know???
Seems like the spoiler would slow the air beneath the wing...which is a BAD thing right?
Anyone know???
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http://www.reference.com/browse/bernoulli's%20principle
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Bernoulli's principle suggests that an increase in compressible flow decreases pressure (downforce) and a decrease in compressible flow increases pressure.
http://www.reference.com/browse/bernoulli's%20principle
http://www.reference.com/browse/bernoulli's%20principle
Ultimately does that mean adding a spoiler in addition to a wing is a good thing??
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for reference:
factory Camaro SS with center mount exhaust:
Mine, same valance only molded:
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They can mold it in and it still isn't going to do very much at all. It would look better but cost a ton! To small and wrong angle for anything except looking nice.
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Drifting
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Like I said in my OP, I bought it for the way it looks, not because it will "really plant the rear end" like an expensive racing spoiler. So I don't expect much downforce from it.
I'm wondering though, whether it might generate some downforce (say, 25 to 75 pounds at 60 or 80 mph.) That's not enough to greatly improve lap times, but it might be enough to have a small effect on the handling feel.
Part of the reason I'm asking is that I have noticed that my C6 Z51 handles differently than my C5 Z51 did. Not just much better, but the understeer/oversteer balance is very different also. My C6 Z51 on similar size tires (285 front & 305 rear) wants to understeer A LOT MORE, than my C5 did. Since I had put on the spoiler before my first C6 track day, I'm wondering if that added variable is having a significant effect after all. (Next time I won't make two changes at once.)
My C5 seemed almost perfectly balanced with smaller tires in front. My C6 with this spoiler seems to need equal width tires front to back to get a good front rear balanced feel. I'm wondering whether other people have experienced the same balance feel difference when moving from a C5 Z51 to a C6 Z51, or whether my spoiler might be giving me a unique difference in my case. I haven't seen anyone else on the CF talking about this handling feel difference being as pronounced as it was in my case.
I'm wondering though, whether it might generate some downforce (say, 25 to 75 pounds at 60 or 80 mph.) That's not enough to greatly improve lap times, but it might be enough to have a small effect on the handling feel.
Part of the reason I'm asking is that I have noticed that my C6 Z51 handles differently than my C5 Z51 did. Not just much better, but the understeer/oversteer balance is very different also. My C6 Z51 on similar size tires (285 front & 305 rear) wants to understeer A LOT MORE, than my C5 did. Since I had put on the spoiler before my first C6 track day, I'm wondering if that added variable is having a significant effect after all. (Next time I won't make two changes at once.)
My C5 seemed almost perfectly balanced with smaller tires in front. My C6 with this spoiler seems to need equal width tires front to back to get a good front rear balanced feel. I'm wondering whether other people have experienced the same balance feel difference when moving from a C5 Z51 to a C6 Z51, or whether my spoiler might be giving me a unique difference in my case. I haven't seen anyone else on the CF talking about this handling feel difference being as pronounced as it was in my case.
Last edited by bobmoore2; 01-31-2011 at 09:16 PM.