Boom goes the motor
06-23-2011, 01:41 PM
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Boom goes the motor
So my LS6 bit the dust... Dealer wants 7800 buck to stick a jasper rebuild in it. I did some searching around the forums and noticed that the LS6 crate is gettin hard to come by. Do any of you guys have a solid line on where one can be had for a decent price? Everthing I've found online seems a bit high. Anyway, I know this question must get asked a lot but unless the info is current, it does me no good. Thanks for the help!
06-23-2011, 02:02 PM
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Also... can anybody give me a good comparison of the full crate vs. the long block? I know the long block is just the basic stuff but I don't know the extent of what would have to be swapped to make it a functioning engine.
06-23-2011, 03:02 PM
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Since GM has discontinued making the LS6 I wonder that is GM's idea of a smog legal replacement crate? Anyone work of California BAR? I think in T1 racing you could take a LS1 and add all the LS6 topend and it works? I thought I read in the SCCA GCR something about that which would imply equivalent power but not "legal" for more smog states.
06-23-2011, 03:07 PM
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In CA you are allowed to replace your vehicles motor with a new motor that retains a factory smog setup.
Otherwords, you can buy you 6k LS3, put it in your C5 and use your factory manifolds (or LS3 manifolds) and factory exhaust with cats. This is also assuming you connect the EGR (if it has it) and AIR (if it has it). Then you just fill out a DMV form and they process it and you're good to go
Otherwords, you can buy you 6k LS3, put it in your C5 and use your factory manifolds (or LS3 manifolds) and factory exhaust with cats. This is also assuming you connect the EGR (if it has it) and AIR (if it has it). Then you just fill out a DMV form and they process it and you're good to go
06-23-2011, 03:23 PM
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In CA you are allowed to replace your vehicles motor with a new motor that retains a factory smog setup.
Otherwords, you can buy you 6k LS3, put it in your C5 and use your factory manifolds (or LS3 manifolds) and factory exhaust with cats. This is also assuming you connect the EGR (if it has it) and AIR (if it has it). Then you just fill out a DMV form and they process it and you're good to go
Otherwords, you can buy you 6k LS3, put it in your C5 and use your factory manifolds (or LS3 manifolds) and factory exhaust with cats. This is also assuming you connect the EGR (if it has it) and AIR (if it has it). Then you just fill out a DMV form and they process it and you're good to go
06-23-2011, 03:25 PM
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06-23-2011, 04:38 PM
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Since a few GM/ Corvette Engineers will be at our event on Sunday to Tuesday. I will ask them about it.
Heck even if they could make more Crate LS2s, with better cam and springs, with 24 tooth wheel
Heck even if they could make more Crate LS2s, with better cam and springs, with 24 tooth wheel
06-23-2011, 04:44 PM
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? Is LS1 be made as reliable to LS6 if the rod bolts and such are swapped? I wonder if pressed if we can just take old LS1s and port the heads and put in very mild cams and come close to LS6 #'s and reliability? What do you think? There were many LS1 made. Finding a salvage LS1 shouldn't be too hard.
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
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Any current LS1 (mid-year 2001 change) should have the same rod bolts as in an LS6, same block as well. Only difference will be the intake, heads, cam (maybe the valley cover and PCV wasn't changed to the LS6 setup, but the vc will bolt on and is $60 new). Easy and cheap to swap those.
06-23-2011, 05:29 PM
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06-23-2011, 05:32 PM
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Please do--relay our interest in crate LS6! Not so interested in LS2 with the oiling issues.
? Is LS1 be made as reliable to LS6 if the rod bolts and such are swapped? I wonder if pressed if we can just take old LS1s and port the heads and put in very mild cams and come close to LS6 #'s and reliability? What do you think? There were many LS1 made. Finding a salvage LS1 shouldn't be too hard.
? Is LS1 be made as reliable to LS6 if the rod bolts and such are swapped? I wonder if pressed if we can just take old LS1s and port the heads and put in very mild cams and come close to LS6 #'s and reliability? What do you think? There were many LS1 made. Finding a salvage LS1 shouldn't be too hard.
It's not a difficult process putting an LS2, 3, or 7 into a car with 24x reluctor wheel. Just requires some adapter harnesses..no big deal.
My 2002 Camaro SS currently has an LS3 in it; it came with an LS1. A lot of people are doing these swaps..
06-23-2011, 06:56 PM
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Any current LS1 (mid-year 2001 change) should have the same rod bolts as in an LS6, same block as well. Only difference will be the intake, heads, cam (maybe the valley cover and PCV wasn't changed to the LS6 setup, but the vc will bolt on and is $60 new). Easy and cheap to swap those.
06-23-2011, 07:00 PM
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Nate,
I have an LS1 on the engine stand that I'm not going to use. It is a former race motor w/ heads & cam. Burns 93 octane, makes the HP you'd expect. Is out of car being refreshed, has ARP studs, etc. No intake or oil pan; they are on the motor that was in the car when I sold it.
Make an offer.
I have an LS1 on the engine stand that I'm not going to use. It is a former race motor w/ heads & cam. Burns 93 octane, makes the HP you'd expect. Is out of car being refreshed, has ARP studs, etc. No intake or oil pan; they are on the motor that was in the car when I sold it.
Make an offer.
06-23-2011, 07:01 PM
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They aren't going to put the LS6 back into production because a handful (relative to total owner population) of "customers" want them to. GM wants people buying there newest and best packages (LS2, LS3, LS7..) to put in their "hot rods". Everything has a shelf life, that's just business
It's not a difficult process putting an LS2, 3, or 7 into a car with 24x reluctor wheel. Just requires some adapter harnesses..no big deal.
My 2002 Camaro SS currently has an LS3 in it; it came with an LS1. A lot of people are doing these swaps..
It's not a difficult process putting an LS2, 3, or 7 into a car with 24x reluctor wheel. Just requires some adapter harnesses..no big deal.
My 2002 Camaro SS currently has an LS3 in it; it came with an LS1. A lot of people are doing these swaps..
But the LS3 is not a good option for racing unless we do the 6000 dollar drysump and loads of work. I think a number of guys are still blowing those up and claim the LS6 platform was still a better unit. I think Ingle for one was very disappointed after shelling big dollars out for a C6 only to go through many motors until they got the kluge sort of right. I'd like a C6 to race but maybe have to wait for the C7 if GM fixes things or 4000 lb vipers sound good. I kick myself for not buying that T1 viper about 6 months ago. When I wrecked my car of course it sold!
06-23-2011, 09:04 PM
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06-23-2011, 11:25 PM
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06-24-2011, 09:24 AM
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Yea, they're so reliable...
And for racing, I'd take the extra expense of a dry sump anyday. Since the dry sump were made available, no one has lost an ls3 except Ingle and that was bad luck bc a valve somehow was closed when it should have been open.
And for racing, I'd take the extra expense of a dry sump anyday. Since the dry sump were made available, no one has lost an ls3 except Ingle and that was bad luck bc a valve somehow was closed when it should have been open.