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Old 12-29-2011, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by davidfarmer
you can straighten the frame, it works just fine. The rear will be easy, I don't think you need to replace the tub, just repair the bad spots (it is a race car after all. I would just cut off the end of the rear frame that is bent.

You'll be up and running in no time!
patch the tub and trim the frame
Old 12-29-2011, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by varkwso
Check for a frame kink at the firewall passenger side.
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patch the tub and trim the frame
I will have the guy doing the frame work on the car check it out and make sure there isn't any surprises when it comes to straightening it back out. And trimming the frame will be some addition weight reduction
Old 12-29-2011, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by goldeneagle_10
I will have the guy doing the frame work on the car check it out and make sure there isn't any surprises when it comes to straightening it back out. And trimming the frame will be some addition weight reduction
How much of the frame can be trimmed before rules are broken?
Old 12-29-2011, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jtmck
How much of the frame can be trimmed before rules are broken?
Here is the only part of the rules that might come into question that I can tell...

"ST1 and ST2 only (not applicable for STR1 and STR2): Every vehicle must retain its OEM frame rails (or unibody), strut towers, floorpan, and subframe. Tube-frame chassis conversion (partial or complete) is not permitted without a waiver from the National ST Director."

So if that means ALL parts of the frame rails, then I don't think you can cut any part off.
Old 12-29-2011, 04:48 PM
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That doesnt look to bad Michael, I was thinking it would be a lot worse from the video...
Old 12-29-2011, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by goldeneagle_10
Here is the only part of the rules that might come into question that I can tell...

"ST1 and ST2 only (not applicable for STR1 and STR2): Every vehicle must retain its OEM frame rails (or unibody), strut towers, floorpan, and subframe. Tube-frame chassis conversion (partial or complete) is not permitted without a waiver from the National ST Director."

So if that means ALL parts of the frame rails, then I don't think you can cut any part off.
You would not be trimming the rear frame rail.
Old 12-29-2011, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by goldeneagle_10
Here is the only part of the rules that might come into question that I can tell...

"ST1 and ST2 only (not applicable for STR1 and STR2): Every vehicle must retain its OEM frame rails (or unibody), strut towers, floorpan, and subframe. Tube-frame chassis conversion (partial or complete) is not permitted without a waiver from the National ST Director."

So if that means ALL parts of the frame rails, then I don't think you can cut any part off.
That was my question. Can you do anything to the frame?
Old 12-29-2011, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jtmck
That was my question. Can you do anything to the frame?
That is a weld on bumper...
Old 12-29-2011, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by varkwso
That is a weld on bumper...
But isn't it part of the "frame"?
Old 12-29-2011, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jtmck
But isn't it part of the "frame"?
It is not part of the frame rail.
Old 12-29-2011, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by varkwso
It is not part of the frame rail.
Does the frame rail end at the front bumper?
Do you think the front bumper can be removed?
Old 12-29-2011, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jtmck
Does the frame rail end at the front bumper?
Do you think the front bumper can be removed?
Yes and yes.
Old 12-29-2011, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jtmck
Does the frame rail end at the front bumper?
Do you think the front bumper can be removed?
Yes. The frame rails are only going front to back, the side to side braces can be removed.
Old 12-30-2011, 12:06 AM
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You already took the warning hit. Bumpers welded to frame rails help to strenghten the structure in a number of directions and provide part of the initial crush zone to decelerate the mass in an impact. If you cut bumpers you are sacrificing some engineered safety. I'd cut the bumpers off and reweld new ones They are ment to be sectioned.
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Sorry to see your setback some this year glad you came out unscathed though!
Old 12-30-2011, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by fatbillybob
You already took the warning hit. Bumpers welded to frame rails help to strenghten the structure in a number of directions and provide part of the initial crush zone to decelerate the mass in an impact. If you cut bumpers you are sacrificing some engineered safety. I'd cut the bumpers off and reweld new ones They are ment to be sectioned.
The one recommended to trim is the tag end of the rear bumper. Still have the structure intact.
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Having watched the wreck in person but not getting a good close-up of the car off track, that front clip looks worse than I figured. But, it can be straightened.

I once fixed the bumper on a Ranger pickup with a pine tree and a come-along. You can do the same on that rear. LOL.

Good luck with the rebuilt. Keep us updated with progress pics.


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Old 12-30-2011, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Kubs
Yes. The frame rails are only going front to back, the side to side braces can be removed.
I am not trying to be difficult here, but is there a way to get an official OK on these modifications? I would not want Michael to do this and then find he has to race in STR-2.

Since we are on the subject, what about mini tub of the rear?
Old 12-30-2011, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jtmck
I am not trying to be difficult here, but is there a way to get an official OK on these modifications? I would not want Michael to do this and then find he has to race in STR-2.

Since we are on the subject, what about mini tub of the rear?
I appreciate you looking out for me Jim... my frame guy said he can straighten the front and rear for me so its not a big deal if I need to leave it on especially on the rear.
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Originally Posted by jtmck
I am not trying to be difficult here, but is there a way to get an official OK on these modifications? I would not want Michael to do this and then find he has to race in STR-2.

Since we are on the subject, what about mini tub of the rear?
ST2 can mini tub. Trimming the rear bumper is fine. Official NASA tech station position. How in the heck would you know with the bumper cover on?

How many more times you want to ask?


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