average/best lap times at hpde events
#1
Melting Slicks
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average/best lap times at hpde events
is there any way to find the average and/or best lap times at hpde events?...would be interested to see what the average and/or best one is at different locations...for the moment it would be homestead's track...would be cool to see how the different corvettes do around that track, base, z51, gs, z06, zr1, etc...
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Safety Car
is there any way to find the average and/or best lap times at hpde events?...would be interested to see what the average and/or best one is at different locations...for the moment it would be homestead's track...would be cool to see how the different corvettes do around that track, base, z51, gs, z06, zr1, etc...
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Burning Brakes
is there any way to find the average and/or best lap times at hpde events?...would be interested to see what the average and/or best one is at different locations...for the moment it would be homestead's track...would be cool to see how the different corvettes do around that track, base, z51, gs, z06, zr1, etc...
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DE or HPDEs should not be timed. that creates too competition and racing.
DEs are EDUCATION events. Education events are should not be based on timing. Comp and TT schools are differnt.
PLUS and this is the big one the major insurance carries for HPDEs does not allow timing. If there is timing, there is no insurance coverage.
That said, if a club wants to do lapping days, then time away and that club can get insurance but at a higher rate.
NASA TT plus SCCA qualifications are about the best way
for the most part the C5Zs are still the fastest on "just about" any track.
DEs are EDUCATION events. Education events are should not be based on timing. Comp and TT schools are differnt.
PLUS and this is the big one the major insurance carries for HPDEs does not allow timing. If there is timing, there is no insurance coverage.
That said, if a club wants to do lapping days, then time away and that club can get insurance but at a higher rate.
NASA TT plus SCCA qualifications are about the best way
for the most part the C5Zs are still the fastest on "just about" any track.
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#7
Track Junky
I was playing around with alignment during my last event and found some settings that seem to work well. Toe can be adjusted in the pit in 5 min or less per axle.
#8
Le Mans Master
Traffic makes them worthless even in advanced/instructor groups. It will give you an idea of the overall pace of the run group, but not the individual driver. I can't remember an event I went to in the last 2-3 years (outside time trials) where I actually had the ability to run a few hard laps. That was one of the contributing factors in my decison to go into semi-HPDE retirement.
#9
Melting Slicks
DE or HPDEs should not be timed. that creates too competition and racing.
DEs are EDUCATION events. Education events are should not be based on timing. Comp and TT schools are differnt.
PLUS and this is the big one the major insurance carries for HPDEs does not allow timing. If there is timing, there is no insurance coverage.
That said, if a club wants to do lapping days, then time away and that club can get insurance but at a higher rate.
NASA TT plus SCCA qualifications are about the best way
for the most part the C5Zs are still the fastest on "just about" any track.
DEs are EDUCATION events. Education events are should not be based on timing. Comp and TT schools are differnt.
PLUS and this is the big one the major insurance carries for HPDEs does not allow timing. If there is timing, there is no insurance coverage.
That said, if a club wants to do lapping days, then time away and that club can get insurance but at a higher rate.
NASA TT plus SCCA qualifications are about the best way
for the most part the C5Zs are still the fastest on "just about" any track.
We run:
PDX (HPDE) - no timing, with instructors, 2 or 3 groups, Novice, advanced.
Club Trials - Street Cars, timed with transponders.
Time Trials - Mostly Race Cars - timed with transponders.
#10
Melting Slicks
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maybe i asked it incorrectly...i get that there is no timing at a professional level or anything...im just talking about my own timing with an iphone app...im assuming at some level that is shunned upon...which is why i asked the instructors what the policy was...they stated that it depended on the instructor ultimately...for me, i just wanted to see where i was in relation to last time i was out there and if i was speeding up on my own by just hitting the corners correctly and braking at different points...the last session i did where i shaved off time i asked the instructor to ride along with me so he can see what im doing and point anything out that i could adjust...needless to say, when he suggested the better braking points, i shaved off time instantly...my line was maintained and everything was ran pretty smoothly the rest of the way...
i assumed at some level taking a car to the track, insurance goes out the door unless you purchase track insurance?...the responsibility is ultimately on me and i "get" that...
i assumed at some level taking a car to the track, insurance goes out the door unless you purchase track insurance?...the responsibility is ultimately on me and i "get" that...
#11
Burning Brakes
I've got some lap times that I've collected here and there just to keep some notes, and it would be nice to compare to other folks to see where I stack up. 2:00 at Sears, 2:13 at THill, 1:49 at Laguna. Unfortunately very few other people around here are driving bone stock C6 Z51 on street tires, so all I can conclude is that I'm SLOW compared to everyone else lol!
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Melting Slicks
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I've got some lap times that I've collected here and there just to keep some notes, and it would be nice to compare to other folks to see where I stack up. 2:00 at Sears, 2:13 at THill, 1:49 at Laguna. Unfortunately very few other people around here are driving bone stock C6 Z51 on street tires, so all I can conclude is that I'm SLOW compared to everyone else lol!
thats what im trying to find out as well...ive only done homestead...and so far 1:49.63 is my best lap time...im on street tires and just upgraded brake pads for the track...z51 as well
#13
Melting Slicks
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Yeah, we have a LOOOOOONG way to go. Remember that these cars are on good suspension setups and Hoosiers (or similar). We are still running stock springs, shocks, bushings and street tires. All that makes a pretty big difference.
I was playing around with alignment during my last event and found some settings that seem to work well. Toe can be adjusted in the pit in 5 min or less per axle.
I was playing around with alignment during my last event and found some settings that seem to work well. Toe can be adjusted in the pit in 5 min or less per axle.
#14
Drifting
If you as an individual time your own HPDE laps for the purpose of evaluating your improvement then I think timing is beneficial. If you are trying to compare your lap times with other drivers/vehicles then it is probably not such a great idea. HPDEs are not a race or competition.
I personally like the idea of timing during HPDEs so you can see the result(s) of better driving, suspension changes, better tires, etc. New drivers are always amazed at the end of the day when they find out they shaved 40 seconds or something similar off their beginning laps. It is great incentive to have a tangible result rather than just a more confident feeling at the end of the day. Although I think times are a valuable tool for newer drivers, newer drivers should never look at times on track, times may not even be valuable until later in the day, maybe end of morning sessions and end of day.
Dog
I personally like the idea of timing during HPDEs so you can see the result(s) of better driving, suspension changes, better tires, etc. New drivers are always amazed at the end of the day when they find out they shaved 40 seconds or something similar off their beginning laps. It is great incentive to have a tangible result rather than just a more confident feeling at the end of the day. Although I think times are a valuable tool for newer drivers, newer drivers should never look at times on track, times may not even be valuable until later in the day, maybe end of morning sessions and end of day.
Dog
#15
Track Junky
Dog, great point. I was thinking that in my last post but it didn't come across that way. I have timing myself to look for improvements. Seeing lower lap times with different alignment settings is helping me see what works and what doesn't work. Since I'm so new to this, I know that I have a lot to learn and I feel this is the best way to stay on track.
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Melting Slicks
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couldnt agree with you guys any more...its more of timing myself to see how i can do better and keeping things consistent...if im consistently doing between 1:49-1:52, i think that speaks volumes...next step from there would be maybe making a change to the way i turn into some of the corners, or brake differently...i want to maintain stock so my overall goal is to see how well and how consistent i do with my car, as-is...
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When we teach guys to NOT worry about lap times, but just concentrate on driving, and being constant. Hit your same marks lap after lap after lap. 5 - 7 laps in a row. Almost to the point of being so board and smooth that you could do your quarterly taxes...
Guess what? you just dropped your lap time
Then it is time to make a minor change one one part of the track.
and repeat.
Guess what? you just dropped your lap time
Then it is time to make a minor change one one part of the track.
and repeat.
#18
Drifting
some of the best improvement i have gained in my personal driving performance has come after downloading the data from my traqmate. lap times from an I phone are one thing, but it is very different to see each lap, broken into segments, and see where you have done well, and not so much. If you have a camera filming where you can actually see what you were doing when you drove a particular segment of the track, and how you managed to improve, then it makes it much easier to go out and do it again. It is like having an instructor in the car, if you pay attention to the data. I recently shaved 4.5 seconds off my lap times at Road Atlanta simply be evaluating the data after each session. My .02 worth. Jerry Stout
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Melting Slicks
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When we teach guys to NOT worry about lap times, but just concentrate on driving, and being constant. Hit your same marks lap after lap after lap. 5 - 7 laps in a row. Almost to the point of being so board and smooth that you could do your quarterly taxes...
Guess what? you just dropped your lap time
Then it is time to make a minor change one one part of the track.
and repeat.
Guess what? you just dropped your lap time
Then it is time to make a minor change one one part of the track.
and repeat.
some of the best improvement i have gained in my personal driving performance has come after downloading the data from my traqmate. lap times from an I phone are one thing, but it is very different to see each lap, broken into segments, and see where you have done well, and not so much. If you have a camera filming where you can actually see what you were doing when you drove a particular segment of the track, and how you managed to improve, then it makes it much easier to go out and do it again. It is like having an instructor in the car, if you pay attention to the data. I recently shaved 4.5 seconds off my lap times at Road Atlanta simply be evaluating the data after each session. My .02 worth. Jerry Stout
how are they doing it then?