New Stock ZR1 vs NASCAR CUP CAR
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New Stock ZR1 vs NASCAR CUP CAR
Last week I was watching the NASCAR race at Watkins Glen. I wondered if a new stock ZR1 would be competitive with these cars in this race? Would these Cup Cars with their superior horsepower wipe out the ZR1 or would the ZR1 have a chance because of superior handling? Does anyone know for certain if it would be a race or not? Thanks for the input from the road racers who know the answer to this question.
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What handling advantage? It appears the Cup cars were only 4 seconds slower than the Daytona Prototypes.
Nascar stock cars handle quite well despite weighing about 3500# and running on a 15x12 tire. They can run within about three seconds a lap of a full on Trans Am car.
Nascar stock cars handle quite well despite weighing about 3500# and running on a 15x12 tire. They can run within about three seconds a lap of a full on Trans Am car.
Last edited by bosco022; 08-12-2012 at 04:37 PM.
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I remember when I really didn't understand just how fast real racing cars are, especially when driven by some of the very best drivers in the world.
Given what we know at the Glen on the long course a Sprint Cup car would circulate in qualifying trim in the high 1:40's if not a shade quicker. A stock ZR1 would have a hard time breaking the 2:10 mark on street tires and probably be a 2:15 car with the average ZR1 DE driver at the wheel.
In the end a stock ZR1 while ok for a street car is not even close to racing car fast when comparing lap times.
Given what we know at the Glen on the long course a Sprint Cup car would circulate in qualifying trim in the high 1:40's if not a shade quicker. A stock ZR1 would have a hard time breaking the 2:10 mark on street tires and probably be a 2:15 car with the average ZR1 DE driver at the wheel.
In the end a stock ZR1 while ok for a street car is not even close to racing car fast when comparing lap times.
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I remember when I really didn't understand just how fast real racing cars are, especially when driven by some of the very best drivers in the world.
Given what we know at the Glen on the long course a Sprint Cup car would circulate in qualifying trim in the high 1:40's if not a shade quicker. A stock ZR1 would have a hard time breaking the 2:10 mark on street tires and probably be a 2:15 car with the average ZR1 DE driver at the wheel.
In the end a stock ZR1 while ok for a street car is not even close to racing car fast when comparing lap times.
Given what we know at the Glen on the long course a Sprint Cup car would circulate in qualifying trim in the high 1:40's if not a shade quicker. A stock ZR1 would have a hard time breaking the 2:10 mark on street tires and probably be a 2:15 car with the average ZR1 DE driver at the wheel.
In the end a stock ZR1 while ok for a street car is not even close to racing car fast when comparing lap times.
As far as a ZR1, it could easily do a 2:10 or lower. I have run 2:14's on street tires in a C5 coupe and in an ST2 car we are running 2:05's and 2:06's on Hoosier A6's with only 350rwhp.
The street tires a ZR1 comes with are only a tick below Hoosier A6's.
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This morning I posted the Watkins Glen laptimes from this weekend in the thread on the weekend racing. As you can see the Cup cars are considerably faster than a Grand AM GT car, which no ZR1 could hang with, so the CUP car is in a different league than any street car;
Grand AM DP best lap 1:05.645
Grand AM GT best lap 1:12.308
Nationwide best lap 1:12.027 (qualifying lap time for polesitter)
NASCAR Cup best lap 1:09.438 (qualifying lap time for polesitter)
Grand AM DP best lap 1:05.645
Grand AM GT best lap 1:12.308
Nationwide best lap 1:12.027 (qualifying lap time for polesitter)
NASCAR Cup best lap 1:09.438 (qualifying lap time for polesitter)
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What do the K&N west NASCAR boys run for power, they where fast on Millers east track this year.
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This morning I posted the Watkins Glen laptimes from this weekend in the thread on the weekend racing. As you can see the Cup cars are considerably faster than a Grand AM GT car, which no ZR1 could hang with, so the CUP car is in a different league than any street car;
Grand AM DP best lap 1:05.645
Grand AM GT best lap 1:12.308
Nationwide best lap 1:12.027 (qualifying lap time for polesitter)
NASCAR Cup best lap 1:09.438 (qualifying lap time for polesitter)
Grand AM DP best lap 1:05.645
Grand AM GT best lap 1:12.308
Nationwide best lap 1:12.027 (qualifying lap time for polesitter)
NASCAR Cup best lap 1:09.438 (qualifying lap time for polesitter)
Last edited by AU N EGL; 08-13-2012 at 01:30 PM.
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On the Long Course I don't think a Cup car could get below 1:50, to tight and horsepower isn't going to make up for having to man handle 3400lbs around.
As far as a ZR1, it could easily do a 2:10 or lower. I have run 2:14's on street tires in a C5 coupe and in an ST2 car we are running 2:05's and 2:06's on Hoosier A6's with only 350rwhp.
As far as a ZR1, it could easily do a 2:10 or lower. I have run 2:14's on street tires in a C5 coupe and in an ST2 car we are running 2:05's and 2:06's on Hoosier A6's with only 350rwhp.
ZR1 isn't anywhere near a Sprint Cup car though as was asked by the OP. After turn 2 they wouldn't even see each other until the Cup car came around to lap the ZR1.
That's rolling in your ST2 car. Very nice!!
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Could take the Carrousel at Road America and T17-18 combo at VIR almost as fast as "A"s with 5-7 Heat cycles.
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I would guess they use the same powerplant. I think they still have the option to run conventional small blocks as well.
Last edited by bosco022; 08-13-2012 at 03:23 PM.
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If we are talking about the NASCAR Sprint race, they run a much shorter config than Grand-Am does. Juan Pablo ran a 1:09 to get on pole.
Grand-Am runs the full track and DP cars run 1:05. Much different, NASCAR is not on the same planet as DP's.\
Edit: NM I didn't know Grand-Am ran the short track the second time around.
Grand-Am runs the full track and DP cars run 1:05. Much different, NASCAR is not on the same planet as DP's.\
Edit: NM I didn't know Grand-Am ran the short track the second time around.
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