Zoxxo

Formula One - BRAZILIAN GRAND PRIX - MULTIPLE NETWORKS!!!
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I try to get this right but they don't make it easy!

Be sure to double check things - especially the channels!

THINGS TO KNOW

COVERAGE WILL BE ON *THREE* NETWORKS:

• NBC
• NBC SPORTS NET
• CNBC

THE NBC SHOWING ON SUNDAY IS NOT LIVE!!!


*LIVE* COVERAGE OF PRACTICE 2 WILL BE ON THE NBC SPORTS NET

*LIVE* COVERAGE OF QUALIFYING WILL BE ON CNBC

*LIVE* COVERAGE OF THE RACE WILL BE ON CNBC

THE TIMES AND PROGRAM LENGTHS FOR THIS WEEKEND ARE DIFFERENT, SO PAY ATTENTION!

The LENGTHS of SOME shows are different!

Once again - the PRE-RACE show for the NBC showing of the race IS NOT
xxINCLUDED IN THE RACE SHOW ITSELF this week!!!

The post-race show "F1 Extra" is shown immediately after the race
show whatever time that may be. the simplest way to make sure you
record it is to simply add enough extra time to the race broadcast recording to
get (a) any extra time that was needed to record the entire race
including any delays, and (b) "F1 Extra". My standard is to
add at least three hours (!) just to make sure I cover most eventualities.

I pull this info from from my Tivo's schedule. I have no guarantee that
it is correct but it usually is.

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ALL TIMES PACIFIC TIME !!!!! (Eastern times in parens)
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Friday November 7, 2014
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Saturday November 8, 2014
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Sunday November 9, 2014
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Monday November 10, 2014
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Enjoy!

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63Corvette

Thanks for posting! I didn't ralize that it was as close as THIS weekend

BrianCunningham

Me neither, thanks

Zoxxo

Ok, the schedule (Msg #1) should now be corrrect. Contrary to everything normal in the TV world, they are showing the LIVE race on CNBC and then REshowing it, tape delayed, on NBC. Strange indeed.

So I have edited the schedule above and it should be correct. Double check everything and, as always, add a LOT of time to the end of your recordings to cover any/everything that could/can/will happen.

Here's the weather forecast for Sao Paulo this weekend. :smile:

http://www.accuweather.com/en/br/sao...-weather/45881

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BrianCunningham

some of the best racing this season

Zoxxo

Well, enjoy it while you can as it would appear that the world's corporations are going to seize, and ruin, yet another "good thing" by remaking Formula One in their own image to suit their own (sales) purposes...

The following article appeared in the British newspaper "The Telegraph" on Sunday evening.

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Bernie Ecclestone rings death knell for Formula One minnows Lotus, Sauber and Force India

Open civil war broke out in Formula One on Sunday night, as Bernie Ecclestone told the three smallest teams they will receive no help to avoid financial ruin, plunging the sport into fresh depths of bitterness and acrimony.

On a day of furious claim and counter-claim, F1’s beleaguered teams said that Ecclestone had turned his back on their plight, preferring to bolster the depleted grid by a combination of three-car and customer-car teams, whereby the big teams sell a car to the smaller marques.

One executive accused the bigger teams – Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren – of a blatant attempt to “drive” them out of the sport, after a tense two-hour meeting on Saturday night. Ecclestone was as coy and confusing as ever, while Toto Wolff, head of Mercedes motorsport, effectively accused the small teams of lying over their version events.

But Force India, Lotus and Sauber insisted they had been told there would be no windfall from CVC Capital Partners, the sport’s majority shareholders, or anyone else, to help them survive, and that they had been advised that Red Bull and Ferrari have been given the green light to run three cars next season.

The fierce row has erupted after the demise of Marussia and Caterham, both in administration with slim chances of making a return. Caterham have turned to donations from fans to try and make it to the final race in Abu Dhabi, raising more than £1 million so far.

Bob Fearnley, Force India’s deputy team principal, said on Sunday night: “There is a very clear programme coming in, which we were advised of on Saturday. The goal is to move to customer-car teams and the three cars will be the interim. That would allow them to keep the numbers while the customer cars are brought in.”

After Ecclestone accused the smaller teams of going around with “begging bowls” asking for money, Monisha Kaltenborn, Sauber’s team principal, added: “We’re not begging, let’s make that clear. But they are trying to drive teams out because they don’t suit them anymore.”

It was difficult to know where the truth lay in a rancorous Sao Paulo paddock on Sunday, but the small teams were steadfast in their position under the threat of financial apocalypse. Wolff, who is far from popular with the sport’s minnows, said they were misrepresenting how the fraught meeting on Saturday had gone.

“First of all it is not true,” he said. “I was in the meetings with the small teams, I represented the unions of the big ones in there. And that wasn’t what was said. CVC, as the commercial rights holder, and Bernie [Ecclestone] are looking at the situation and discussing with the smaller teams what can be done to make life easier for them.”

But even Ecclestone indicated he was not prepared to give the teams a £100  million windfall to secure their future. Vijay Mallya, the Force India co-owner, said over the weekend that Ecclestone would speak to Donald Mackenzie, chairman of CVC, about the sport’s financial crisis, after leaving Saturday’s meeting with a face like thunder.

Ecclestone, 84, said he would do nothing of the sort. “They only do what’s good for them,” the sport’s impresario said. “I am speaking to Donald but about something completely different. It’s not their position to decide who I speak to.

“The way forward is very easy – don’t spend as much. We are giving these teams collectively $900 million [£566 million] and that’s enough. They have enough to survive but not in the way they are surviving. Start running the business like a business rather than a hobby.”

Just one week ago in Austin, Texas, Ecclestone was full of mea culpas, arguing that something needed to be done, but he has been in bullish and uncompromising mood all weekend in Brazil.

Ecclestone added that no deal had been reached on third cars, but suggested agreements were in place should the grid drop to 16 cars.

The smaller, impoverished teams are baffled that a sport which raises more than £1 billion annually and distributes nearly £600 million back to the teams cannot keep 11 squads afloat. They believe Ecclestone and CVC’s motive is to effectively have five teams, to make a long-planned flotation on the Singapore Stock Exchange far simpler.

One insider said: “It is sleazy and appalling to try to push teams out of the sport for the benefit of the biggest five teams.”

Gérard Lopez, the Lotus owner, has been particularly vocal on the subject and took the unusual approach – by F1 standards – of revealing in Texas a whole raft of figures showing how much teams receive.

Ferrari are thought to have received nearly £120 million in prize money last year while Marussia got just under £7 million.

Lopez said it was triggered by one fellow team principal “laughing” over the collapse of Marussia and Caterham. “It’s quite ridiculous we are having this discussion,” a dejected Lopez said on Sunday night.

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Something to note here. The F1 rules, as they exist today, say that in order to compete in the manufacturer's championship (the championship used to determine the money paid out at the end of the season) you have to be (wait for it) an actual manufacturer. So, anyone buying, borrowing, renting, leasing, stealing, etc., a race car and not actually making it, will NOT be eligible for ANY prize money at the end of the season no matter how well they did.

So, if what's reported here is anything close to the truth then Formula One as we have known it for the past 60 years or so, will be a thing of the past. Privateers will have no place in the scheme of things.

Way to go, Bernie. At least Tamara and Petra have the lifestyle they always wanted, ya little frog.

Tamara's TWO houses in London:
http://www.darkmars.com/cf/bernie/tamara_house.jpg

Petra's house in Beverly Hills (used to be owned by TV mogul Aaron Spelling.)
http://www.darkmars.com/cf/bernie/petra_house.jpg


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hklvette

What a mess. Part of me hopes that FI, Lotus, and Sauber don't show up at Abu Dhabi just to say "F U" to Bernie & CVC.

Interesting how class warfare manifests itself even in the most expensive motorsport on earth...

Zoxxo

Wouldn't that be awesome?

Indeed.

To be honest, what I think it really happening here is that this is all jockeying for position by the big corporations for the not-far-off day that Bernie croaks. That's what this F1 Strategy Group baloney is really all about. The very idea that it was "just decided" that the smaller teams would get zero say in how F1 is being run, the rules they will run under, etc., is pretty damning in itself.

What a ****ing shame.

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Zoxxo

From Reuter's News Agency this morning:

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Formula One's smaller teams wary of hidden agenda

By Alan Baldwin

SAO PAULO, Nov 9 (Reuters) - Formula One's financially struggling smaller teams fear there could be an "agenda" to end their constructor status and turn them into mere operators of cars provided by bigger rivals.

"Looking at the proposals which have been made, we have to believe there is some agenda here," Sauber principal Monisha Kaltenborn told reporters after Sunday's Brazilian Grand Prix.

"When ideas are offered to us of a year-old chassis or engines which maybe are a different specification or whatever, a different series, there must be an agenda," she said.

"Those ideas are ideas. But that tells you where it is going...the more these ideas are coming up, the more we three get the feeling that maybe some people don't want us to be around and maybe the sport is supposed to be changed in a very different way."

The three -- Sauber, Force India and Lotus -- have all been calling for the distribution of revenues to be made fairer to guarantee them a 'base payment' that would help them to continue competing.

However talks with commercial supremo Bernie Ecclestone at Interlagos produced no agreement, with the 84-year-old Briton holding out little hope of one.

"We are giving these teams collectively $900 million and that's enough," he told reporters.

Force India principal Vijay Mallya had said on Saturday that Ecclestone had agreed to talk to commercial rights holders CVC in London next Tuesday to discuss the situation.

However, on a Sunday of shifting positions, Ecclestone said he would be talking to CVC co-chairman Donald Mackenzie about "something completely different".

Force India deputy principal Bob Fernley wondered whether the end goal was to turn Formula One into a constructor and a customer series.

"The clear direction we are getting is that there is a desire to have five constructor teams and five customer teams," he said.

Sunday's race had only nine teams after Marussia folded and Caterham, in administration, remained absent while they try and raise enough cash to compete in Abu Dhabi on Nov. 23.

Ecclestone has made clear that if they do not race then, they are out of the championship.

Both Fernley and Kaltenborn said their teams would fight on.

"The last few weeks have exposed what the gameplan is. We just want to make sure that we stay a constructor and we will work hard to do that and stay competitive," said Fernley.

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Zoxxo

From Sky Sports this morning:

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Fleet Street believes F1 is preparing to field three-car teams in 2015 before running customer cars in 2016.

While Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg fought out the latest battle in their season-long contest for the World Championship at Interlagos, a new controversy brewed off the track amid claim and counter-claim about the sport’s future.

‘Struggling outfits have been told there is no more money on the table as the sport appears to move inexorably towards customer cars in 2016 when the major names will provide all the cars on the grid,’ reports Paul Weaver in The Guardian.

‘Before that it seems certain Ferrari and Red Bull will run three cars next year to fill the holes left by Marussia and Caterham, who have fallen into administration. Customers cars have no history in the sport and they would spell the end of the days when smaller teams such as Lotus – and even Jordan – were able to finish on the podium. From the point of view of those who run the sport it will be a lot easier to control.’

According to The Times’ Kevin Eason, the remaining have-nots on the grid – Force India, Lotus and Sauber – fear they are being driven out of the sport as part of an orchestrated campaign to radically change the shape of F1.

'The three teams were shown an email on Saturday night outlining details of a plan to have Red Bull and Ferrari supply a third car for the grid next season,’ Eason declares.

In a riveting follow-up piece for the newspaper, Eason adds:

‘The nascent plan has been carefully thought through by the main players: that is for two leading teams to run three cars each. The three rebels say they have been told that Red Bull and Ferrari will run an extra car each next season to cover the loss of Marussia and Caterham and bring the grid back up to a full complement of 20 cars.

‘Rest assured that both teams would leap at the chance of supplying third cars to the grid, assuming that the FIA, the supine governing body, gives approval.’

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Zoxxo

From Autoweek this morning:

I'm sure this is just a ploy to pressure Mercedes into relenting on the engine freeze issue but still...

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Niki Lauda warns Mercedes may leave F1 if old V8s come back

November 10, 2014

Mercedes dominant in new V6 era; all others struggling, unhappy

Mercedes has warned it will quit Formula One if moves to revive the old V8 era are successful.

Amid the debate about costs driving small teams out of F1, and the separate argument about an engine development “unfreeze,” Bernie Ecclestone showed his hand by reiterating he is staunchly opposed to the new V6s.

"We need to change the regulations," the F1 chief executive said a week ago. "We're going to try to get rid of these [V6] engines.

"They don't do anything for anybody. They're not Formula One," he insisted.

The 84-year-old Briton most certainly has some allies. Some of them are fans who miss the normally aspirated V8 scream.

And Ecclestone also has many race promoters on the side.

"I don't think there's any problem with the number of cars," said Austin promoter Bobby Epstein, who welcomed an 18-car grid to the USGP a week ago. "If the competition up front is good, the total number doesn't matter.

"But it would be great to hear them," he added.

It is at this point that the back-and-forth “unfreeze” debate comes into play.

Although Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg have been wheel-to-wheel in 2014, Mercedes was utterly dominant, and rival engine suppliers Renault and Ferrari are desperate for the rules to be relaxed so they can catch up.

Mercedes, having mastered the start of the new turbo era, is understandably reluctant.

"We were slowed down for five years running with aerodynamic restrictions," said Dr. Helmut Marko, of F1's formerly dominant force Red Bull.

"All we're asking of Mercedes is that they give us the chance to get closer," he told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.

Mercedes has offered a slight compromise, but not all of what Renault and Ferrari are demanding.

Now, Ferrari, Renault and perhaps even Honda are threatening that if Mercedes continues to refuse, they will push through a total opening up of engine development for 2016 with the power of their majority vote.

That will send costs through the roof and almost certainly drive more teams out of business.

The golden solution to that might be to go down Ecclestone's road of reviving the cheaper and fan-pleasing V8 engines.

"No one likes to take a step backwards," Red Bull team boss Christian Horner said, "but sometimes you have to realize when something has gone wrong."

Indeed, struggling small teams like Lotus, Sauber and Force India would be much happier with an old, V8-style engine bill.

"None of us wanted the new engines," said Lotus owner Gerard Lopez, speaking for the struggling trio. "They were forced upon us."

He indicated he would not be opposed to another engine type being introduced, particularly if it was much cheaper.

"If I told Pastor or Romain that next year they're pedaling their car, they're not going to be particularly excited. But it would be way cheaper for us and I might actually make money," Lopez said.

Honda, however, is only returning to F1 next year because of the new, modern and more road-relevant engine formula.

And Niki Lauda, Mercedes' team chairman, warned that bringing back the V8s would have other drastic consequences.

"If V8 comes back," the F1 legend said, "Mercedes will be gone."

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Niki, you have far too high an opinion of both your, and Mercedes', value to the F1 fans around the world. I expect we'd miss all of you for about 10 minutes.



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edge04

I agree. The post race podium interview was funny/odd too.

Zoxxo

F1 teeters on the precipice

Monday Nov 10, 2014

Formula One is in a mess right now and it's not yet clear how it's going to come out of it. Once again, the idea of three car teams was raised on Sunday, which is a option open to the sport but one that remains very unlikely. A two and half hour summit meeting of team principals and Bernie Ecclestone yielded no clear progress on Saturday night and left the sport's three smallest teams convinced there is some kind of agenda in place. Force India, Lotus and Sauber had been looking to get a base payment from the sport's commercial rights holder to help them compete with the top teams, but that now appears to be off the table. Instead they are concerned that the status quo will remain in place, making it increasingly difficult for them to compete with F1's top teams. Eventually they are concerned they will be pressured into running customer cars in order to survive, creating a two tier Formula One with a constructors' championship and a teams' championship. Such a move would fundamentally change the face of F1 and leave the sport's future in the balance with the danger that one constructor pulling out would kill two teams. It is also unlikely such a formula would help revive the falling viewing figures and fill the empty grandstands that remain at many races. F1 is already on the precipice and it looks like it's about to take a plunge.

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hklvette

If you're going to bring back the V8s, stick it all in and bring back the V10s.

All of this turmoil is not going to help the sale of F1 to someone else, if that is what Bernie et. al. intend to do.

In other news, the race in Brazil was great! Lewis must be really kicking himself today for that half-spin.

BrianCunningham

Caterham may make it to the last race after all

http://www.roadandtrack.com/racing/r...1459_110838669