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#21
Drifting
You just opened up another $10k+ plus in expense, for those who want to spend it. I think on the Azenis tire a dry sump really won't be necessary. Just speaking personally, if the rule set you suggested above was allowed, then I'd just stay in ST2 rather than starting over with a "cheaper" Spec Vette. With the specs above you're just Hoosiers and aero away from a competitive ST2 car.
#22
Once you hit the track you really need to add more safety gear. These cars are 160mph cars on some tracks. I'm in palos verdes if you want help either in person or verbal getting a car together. With the specvette rules you can do a drive to the track and race and drive home in the same car.
#24
Melting Slicks
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Whatever you do, please, for the love of the racing gods, leave the rules intact. The biggest mistake is to arbitrarily begin changing rules to accommodate every know-it-all. You have a good plan. Stick to it and keep any changes minimal, simple and infrequent. It seems this will be the case, so I am not preaching. Just reinforcing this sound approach.
Hurry up and get to the East Coast!! I am already hunting for a donor car. By the way, the website looks great! Excellent job.
Hurry up and get to the East Coast!! I am already hunting for a donor car. By the way, the website looks great! Excellent job.
#26
Are you talking about Qualcomm? I'm interested at seeing what parts you sell after you sell your Z. I have the silver C5Z and will be doing the Qualcomm autocross tomorrow if all goes as planned.
#28
Pro
Love it! Could we have a system, without getting too complex, that would add weight in lieu
of getting rid of already installed parts? Those of us that already have different suspension, brakes, etc. I could race this immediately except I have wilwood calipers on the front with stock brake rotors and penske double adjustables. I know you can't please all, just seems like a simple weight add/loss points system could greatly increase initial participation and lower costs. Thanks for doing work on this!
of getting rid of already installed parts? Those of us that already have different suspension, brakes, etc. I could race this immediately except I have wilwood calipers on the front with stock brake rotors and penske double adjustables. I know you can't please all, just seems like a simple weight add/loss points system could greatly increase initial participation and lower costs. Thanks for doing work on this!
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crimlwC6 (06-04-2017)
#30
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
That is the ultimate goal, but we need to achieve critical mass on our own to have more leverage bringing the class to established venues. Otherwise we all risk it getting bastardized by others who don't race Corvettes and who have other organizational agendas.
#31
Question for Trackspec....on the build sheet they list a Trackspec rear spoiler. Is this something that is available for the rear of the car or am I mis-reading this? Is there a picture of this spoiler anywhere?
Thanks
Thanks
#32
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Good eye. This is a conceptual item at this point and it technically does not exist yet. Our thought was to perhaps incorporate something to give Spec Corvettes a bit of their own unique look, yet have a bit more performance through better rear grip without the expense and problems of a wing.
What are your thoughts on form, function and the cost aspect?
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#33
If this takes off and makes its way East it might finally push me in to W2W. I'm really not interested in driving a low power car or playing a bunch of games with the rules. Heck, if someone was selling a reliable spec Corvette for $20K today I'd write a check and start practicing now.
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Olitho (06-04-2017)
#35
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
If this takes off and makes its way East it might finally push me in to W2W. I'm really not interested in driving a low power car or playing a bunch of games with the rules. Heck, if someone was selling a reliable spec Corvette for $20K today I'd write a check and start practicing now.
If my plan works out, I aim to finish my car, drive it to one of the local tracks, race it Saturday, race it Sunday, if I am luck I can post a win. Next I drive it home and put it up for sale. Of course that means I will need to build another one. But I want to make a point. I will probably add $2,000 for my labor trouble.
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#36
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
That is a really good idea. We considered it.
But because we have the really tough job of trying to equalize LS2 and LS3 engines it was not deemed possible to make them "equal." We could make them close, but not equal. Equaling peak horsepower can be done with a restrictor plate, but there is so much more to power curves and such. Just look to all the bitching in Spec Miata where they run two different engine models.
BTW - we considered doing the C6s, but after much deliberation we nixed the idea. It is remote and unlikely, but not impossible we include them in the future, but we would need to do a lot of testing.
Another problem is the donor C6s cannot generally be had at the C5 price points, but the other considerations above aside the cost of the base car is up to the builder so that part is OK, but we would first need to resolve the other issues.
But because we have the really tough job of trying to equalize LS2 and LS3 engines it was not deemed possible to make them "equal." We could make them close, but not equal. Equaling peak horsepower can be done with a restrictor plate, but there is so much more to power curves and such. Just look to all the bitching in Spec Miata where they run two different engine models.
BTW - we considered doing the C6s, but after much deliberation we nixed the idea. It is remote and unlikely, but not impossible we include them in the future, but we would need to do a lot of testing.
Another problem is the donor C6s cannot generally be had at the C5 price points, but the other considerations above aside the cost of the base car is up to the builder so that part is OK, but we would first need to resolve the other issues.
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KnightDriveTV (06-20-2017)
#37
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
PS. I suppose a base C6 with the LS6 could work, but we have not considered that at this time. We have so many other pressing issues just launching this with C5s.
#38
Burning Brakes
I'm very excited at the announcement of Spec Corvette. Overall, I think the rules are solid and as already noted will be refined as the experiment evolves. I do have some questions after have a read through the rules. (no agenda, I'm not yet a racer). http://speccorvette.com/rules
Shocks
• Shocks are aFe single adjustable coil-overs or identically valved substitutes as pre-approved in these rules.
Would the organization consider allowing an alternate single adjustable or non-adjustable shock such as the Bilstein's sold and serviced by LGM or DRM? When Pfadt went bust, a lot of owners were left with shocks that nobody else could service, and there were a lot of issues with leakage. Bilstein parts are cheap and available, and service is easily obtained. This seems to be in keeping with the spirt of the class to keep build and running costs low. It would be easy to specify a damping curve for a Bilstein, and I would bet the company would lend technical assistance.
• OEM monoleaf springs and shocks are permissible, including T1
Can the T1 monoleaf be run with approved aftermarket shock sans coilover springs?
Shocks
• aFe SPEC Corvette sway bars, brackets, pillows and end-links
• OEM C5, Z06, and T1 are permissible
Would this also apply to a LGM G1 bars which are functionally a copy of the T1 bars? The rules don't specify what AFE/Pfadt bars are approved. Hopefully it's not the Pfadt Racing sway bar with the aluminum arms. The service kit to keep those operational cost more than most one piece sway bar kits.
• A-arm bushings upgradeable to monoball, delrin, or polyurethane.
I'm very glad to see options here on upgrading bushings.
Official Hood Vents of SPEC CORVETTE Trackspec Motorsports C5 T1 hood vent kit in specified location
If a car is already equipped with an extractor type hood such at the ACP extractor hood will these be permitted?
Thanks!
Shocks
• Shocks are aFe single adjustable coil-overs or identically valved substitutes as pre-approved in these rules.
Would the organization consider allowing an alternate single adjustable or non-adjustable shock such as the Bilstein's sold and serviced by LGM or DRM? When Pfadt went bust, a lot of owners were left with shocks that nobody else could service, and there were a lot of issues with leakage. Bilstein parts are cheap and available, and service is easily obtained. This seems to be in keeping with the spirt of the class to keep build and running costs low. It would be easy to specify a damping curve for a Bilstein, and I would bet the company would lend technical assistance.
• OEM monoleaf springs and shocks are permissible, including T1
Can the T1 monoleaf be run with approved aftermarket shock sans coilover springs?
Shocks
• aFe SPEC Corvette sway bars, brackets, pillows and end-links
• OEM C5, Z06, and T1 are permissible
Would this also apply to a LGM G1 bars which are functionally a copy of the T1 bars? The rules don't specify what AFE/Pfadt bars are approved. Hopefully it's not the Pfadt Racing sway bar with the aluminum arms. The service kit to keep those operational cost more than most one piece sway bar kits.
• A-arm bushings upgradeable to monoball, delrin, or polyurethane.
I'm very glad to see options here on upgrading bushings.
Official Hood Vents of SPEC CORVETTE Trackspec Motorsports C5 T1 hood vent kit in specified location
If a car is already equipped with an extractor type hood such at the ACP extractor hood will these be permitted?
Thanks!
#39
Pro
Keep it in mind if you push o the east coast next year. By the way, my 2006 base c6 makes considerably less power than my 2003 Z06 did, before and after they were tuned.
That is a really good idea. We considered it.
But because we have the really tough job of trying to equalize LS2 and LS3 engines it was not deemed possible to make them "equal." We could make them close, but not equal. Equaling peak horsepower can be done with a restrictor plate, but there is so much more to power curves and such. Just look to all the bitching in Spec Miata where they run two different engine models.
BTW - we considered doing the C6s, but after much deliberation we nixed the idea. It is remote and unlikely, but not impossible we include them in the future, but we would need to do a lot of testing.
Another problem is the donor C6s cannot generally be had at the C5 price points, but the other considerations above aside the cost of the base car is up to the builder so that part is OK, but we would first need to resolve the other issues.
But because we have the really tough job of trying to equalize LS2 and LS3 engines it was not deemed possible to make them "equal." We could make them close, but not equal. Equaling peak horsepower can be done with a restrictor plate, but there is so much more to power curves and such. Just look to all the bitching in Spec Miata where they run two different engine models.
BTW - we considered doing the C6s, but after much deliberation we nixed the idea. It is remote and unlikely, but not impossible we include them in the future, but we would need to do a lot of testing.
Another problem is the donor C6s cannot generally be had at the C5 price points, but the other considerations above aside the cost of the base car is up to the builder so that part is OK, but we would first need to resolve the other issues.
#40
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
I'm very excited at the announcement of Spec Corvette. Overall, I think the rules are solid and as already noted will be refined as the experiment evolves. I do have some questions after have a read through the rules. (no agenda, I'm not yet a racer). http://speccorvette.com/rules
Shocks
• Shocks are aFe single adjustable coil-overs or identically valved substitutes as pre-approved in these rules.
Would the organization consider allowing an alternate single adjustable or non-adjustable shock such as the Bilstein's sold and serviced by LGM or DRM? When Pfadt went bust, a lot of owners were left with shocks that nobody else could service, and there were a lot of issues with leakage. Bilstein parts are cheap and available, and service is easily obtained. This seems to be in keeping with the spirt of the class to keep build and running costs low. It would be easy to specify a damping curve for a Bilstein, and I would bet the company would lend technical assistance.
• OEM monoleaf springs and shocks are permissible, including T1
Can the T1 monoleaf be run with approved aftermarket shock sans coilover springs?
Shocks
• aFe SPEC Corvette sway bars, brackets, pillows and end-links
• OEM C5, Z06, and T1 are permissible
Would this also apply to a LGM G1 bars which are functionally a copy of the T1 bars? The rules don't specify what AFE/Pfadt bars are approved. Hopefully it's not the Pfadt Racing sway bar with the aluminum arms. The service kit to keep those operational cost more than most one piece sway bar kits.
• A-arm bushings upgradeable to monoball, delrin, or polyurethane.
I'm very glad to see options here on upgrading bushings.
Official Hood Vents of SPEC CORVETTE Trackspec Motorsports C5 T1 hood vent kit in specified location
If a car is already equipped with an extractor type hood such at the ACP extractor hood will these be permitted?
Thanks!
Shocks
• Shocks are aFe single adjustable coil-overs or identically valved substitutes as pre-approved in these rules.
Would the organization consider allowing an alternate single adjustable or non-adjustable shock such as the Bilstein's sold and serviced by LGM or DRM? When Pfadt went bust, a lot of owners were left with shocks that nobody else could service, and there were a lot of issues with leakage. Bilstein parts are cheap and available, and service is easily obtained. This seems to be in keeping with the spirt of the class to keep build and running costs low. It would be easy to specify a damping curve for a Bilstein, and I would bet the company would lend technical assistance.
• OEM monoleaf springs and shocks are permissible, including T1
Can the T1 monoleaf be run with approved aftermarket shock sans coilover springs?
Shocks
• aFe SPEC Corvette sway bars, brackets, pillows and end-links
• OEM C5, Z06, and T1 are permissible
Would this also apply to a LGM G1 bars which are functionally a copy of the T1 bars? The rules don't specify what AFE/Pfadt bars are approved. Hopefully it's not the Pfadt Racing sway bar with the aluminum arms. The service kit to keep those operational cost more than most one piece sway bar kits.
• A-arm bushings upgradeable to monoball, delrin, or polyurethane.
I'm very glad to see options here on upgrading bushings.
Official Hood Vents of SPEC CORVETTE Trackspec Motorsports C5 T1 hood vent kit in specified location
If a car is already equipped with an extractor type hood such at the ACP extractor hood will these be permitted?
Thanks!
These are all really good questions.
At this point you run either the spec shock or OEM springs and shocks. The only alternate to that are the GM T1 shocks and sway bars. Our preference and advantage we feel is in the aFe setup.
As far as performance and reliability are concerned, I too was concerned with this. I did substantially more testing than John Nguyen, but I wrung those shocks out for a year. I raced on them at Laguna Seca, ACS, WSIR, SoWS, Buttonwillow and Thunderhill and probably elsewhere. I also ran a number of track and test days all on my GT2/ST2/T1 Corvette in place of my Ohlins up until February of this year. The car was fast and it felt good, sometimes setting some track records in the process, so the shocks are good and durable. I also borrowed John's car last October for for a day of coaching from Ross Bentley after I damaged my engine racing at ACS the weekend before. I flogged on John's car at BRP for a full day of mostly on track coaching and the car performed flawlessly. I might add that his car was in nearly a complete Spec Corvette set-up, except I was running my Hoosier A7s/wheels. John's car has the original OEM LS1 in it. I understand the concern on the shocks, but they are solid. Maybe John and I will eat our words on that, but aFe did change out the seals on the shocks as those were the main culprit. The shocks are serviceable by aFe and a third party shop so that made us Feal better about going with them.
The sway bars Spec'd out are the all steel one piece bars quite similar to GM T1 racing sway bars. You can see the set-up in this picture.
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Only the spec'd hood vents or no hood venting are allowed. There is a bit of performance increase with the vented hood so we want all cars to car the same hood vents in the same location for parity. This also has the added benefit that we want all Spec Corvettes to have a distinct look that makes them identifiable. It will be very cool to look at shots of all the cars sitting on pregrid all looking the same. Spec Corvette needs to have a brand identity and part of that is a unique consistent look of the cars, logo, etc.
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Bad_AX (06-04-2017)