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Old 10-21-2018, 01:18 PM
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psi increased: Pirelli cannot play on the camber because of the parc fermé and could only have an influence on the rear pressures to try to protect the tires, which suffered more than the manufacturer expected, this is the reason for this decision by Pirelli.

Other news: Merco decided to change the water pump of Bottas, beginning of leak, the change was made on the car of the leader Hamilton to avoid a problem during the race. The regulations allow it provided it is the same specification

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Vettel...mon Dieu, this guy is crazy.

Fantastic race. Hamilton at Mexico ? Very happy for the Finn, 113 races, 3 races before leaving Féfé and finally a win. Max P18 to P2 ? He did it ! Hamilton need just 5 points to have the 5th crown

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Old 10-21-2018, 06:04 PM
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sigh....

http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...US_Grand_Prix/
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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
how does that even happen?
Old 10-21-2018, 06:06 PM
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But at least he'll have company...

http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6..._the_stewards/

I hadn't heard of a team exceeding fuel limits in more than a season; what happened?

Have a good one,
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Old 10-21-2018, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunder22
how does that even happen?
Well, IIRC, the cars have to end the race with at least 1 liter of fuel for FIA sampling. Especially with the VSC, they would have probably not even made it to the end of the race.

On to Mexico!

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It's official Ocon DQ'd, so Hartley moves into 10th and could go higher if KMagg gets done too.
Old 10-21-2018, 06:28 PM
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This has to be the Race-of-the-Year.
A legit 3-way race for the win...all the way to the final corner.
If only every race would be like this one.
COTA got a real treat from the F1 Circus this year.

It's been FIVE years since Kimi's last win.

LH and Max had a helluva battle at the end.

Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
It's hard to believe this was an innocent screw-up...or if it is, maybe Haas should consider screening future employees for basic math skills.

I wonder if DR can cancel his Renault contract now?
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...fter_COTA_DNF/
What a joke Renault's powerunits are...


Old 10-21-2018, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
I wonder if DR can cancel his Renault contract now?
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...fter_COTA_DNF/
What a joke Renault's powerunits are...
How many failures have Renault had this year (serious question)? I think RB's power plant woes are at least to some extent to the way they use them in the cars.

Have a good one,
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Ocon out of the classification.At the beginning of the race, the VJM11 exceeded the authorized fuel consumption limit of 100 kg/h, which was checked by a flow meter.

Mike, what's strange is that this kind of failure, total engine shutdown, only happens at RBR : specific problem to RBR following the extrem design of Newey around the PU ? even if the PU of Viry-Châtillon is not a power monster, it must be recognized that some RBR failures do not occur on the black and yellow car

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BTW, a quick editorial on COTA. Last year's race had some great racing back in the pack, highlighted by Verstappen's pass/overrule; the crowd went wild on the pass, and the boos were roaring after the penalty was announced. This year had, as y'all have pointed out, had a great race at the end.

When COTA was designed and built, there was a lot of complaining about "just another Tilke track". It sure doesn't race like one.

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Originally Posted by sunsalem
This has to be the Race-of-the-Year.
A legit 3-way race for the win...all the way to the final corner.
If only every race would be like this one.
COTA got a real treat from the F1 Circus this year.

It's been FIVE years since Kimi's last win.

LH and Max had a helluva battle at the end.


It's hard to believe this was an innocent screw-up...or if it is, maybe Haas should consider screening future employees for basic math skills.

I wonder if DR can cancel his Renault contract now?
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...fter_COTA_DNF/
What a joke Renault's powerunits are...
Not sure where you're getting that conclusion from. Sainz hasn't had 1 DNF due to PU all season. Hulk has had 5 DNFs only 1 due to PU.

And of Ricciardo's 6 DNF, 2 were PU, 1 was gearbox, 2 were accidents and 1 was the clutch.

Verstappen has had 3 DNFs, 2 accidents and 1 PU.

So that's 5 amongst 4 drivers amongst 18 races. So 5 DNFs out of a total of 72.

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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
How many failures have Renault had this year (serious question)? I think RB's power plant woes are at least to some extent to the way they use them in the cars.

Have a good one,
Mike
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Not sure where you're getting that conclusion from. Sainz hasn't had 1 DNF due to PU all season. Hulk has had 5 DNFs only 1 due to PU.

And of Ricciardo's 6 DNF, 2 were PU, 1 was gearbox, 2 were accidents and 1 was the clutch.

Verstappen has had 3 DNFs, 2 accidents and 1 PU.

So that's 5 amongst 4 drivers amongst 18 races. So 5 DNFs out of a total of 72.

I did the math above.
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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
How many failures have Renault had this year (serious question)? I think RB's power plant woes are at least to some extent to the way they use them in the cars.
Renault has known from the very beginning just how RB was going to package their powerunits.
All customer teams relay this info to manufacturers well before the season starts.
Manufacturers do sign off on the designs before handing over PUs to the teams.
No manufacturer wants to be put in a situation where the product earns a poor reputation.
Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
This year had, as y'all have pointed out, had a great race at the end.
The LH/Max duel definitely will go down as a season highlight.
The way Max kept fighting back wheel-to-wheel was awesome to see.
They may be the 2 best drivers in the sport today.

When COTA was designed and built, there was a lot of complaining about "just another Tilke track". It sure doesn't race like one.
I have always felt COTA was one of the best roadracing circuits anywhere.

Originally Posted by Thunder22
This isn't a Renault powerunit issue,Not sure where you're getting that conclusion from.
Ask McLaren how much they like Renault's powerunits.
Old 10-21-2018, 07:48 PM
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Both Ocon and Mags disqualified:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...es_Grand_Prix/
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
Renault has known from the very beginning just how RB was going to package their powerunits.
All customer teams relay this info to manufacturers well before the season starts.
Manufacturers do sign off on the designs before handing over PUs to the teams.
No manufacturer wants to be put in a situation where the product earns a poor reputation.
The LH/Max duel definitely will go down as a season highlight.
The way Max kept fighting back wheel-to-wheel was awesome to see.
They may be the 2 best drivers in the sport today.

I have always felt COTA was one of the best roadracing circuits anywhere.

Ask McLaren how much they like Renault's powerunits.
McLaren should get their aero fixed (which they admit they can't find the root cause ) and not blame the Renault PUs. Nice try.
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Alonso DNF:
Canada exhaust
Monaco gearbox
France: rear left flat
Belgium: Airborne
Monza: Electronics
COTA: accident

so where is the Renault PU failing for Alonso?

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Old 10-21-2018, 08:16 PM
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So, in summary:

The Renault PU isn't in the same league this season as Merc or Ferrari.
Ricciardo has had a lot of DNFs this year; some due to the PU, some not. Today's for example, could be some control interface between the PU and the car (in car video implies it just shut down). Or it could have been a total PU failure; I just haven't heard.
It does seem like he's had more problems than Verstappen has, so it may be something unique in his setup that's causing the headaches.

IMO his frustration/anger is also his demotion in RBR behind Verstappen, and everything that goes wrong just gets amplified. Hope he has a better career at Renault.

Have a good one,
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Originally Posted by Thunder22
McLaren should get their aero fixed (which they admit they can't find the root cause ) and not blame the Renault PUs. Nice try.
Originally Posted by Thunder22
Alonso DNF:
Canada exhaust
Monaco gearbox
France: rear left flat
Belgium: Airborne
Monza: Electronics
COTA: accident

so where is the Renault PU failing for Alonso?
Ahhhh, NOW I remember you!
dude, he said "take a hike or I"ll report you"

i'm dead serious. Still laughing. You just can't make this **** up.

You're the guy (along with your little buddy what's-his-name) who likes to pop in here once in awhile to troll when you get bored in the other F1 Thread.
Sorry, ain't gonna bite...better luck next time.

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How MB's race strategy failed:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...ble_backfired/
This analysis makes a lot of sense IMO.



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