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Old 04-17-2019, 12:52 PM
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It takes a tragedy in Paris to inspire Cyril to confess?
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...the_top_three/
Maybe the first honest thing the guy has said to the press in years...

I wonder what Sir Frank thinks of a Russian bailing out Williams...:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...over_Williams/
Nepotism never has good results?

Flavio stating the obvious:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...r_eight_years/
Maybe it's time to bring Flavio back.
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Old 04-17-2019, 12:54 PM
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While watching this video the cars look noticeably slower than today's to me.
Also, what BEASTS to drive!
No way would I trust my life to one of those.
Lots of things going on differently back then compared to now..

1. Less aero overall, but the cars were flat bottom (instead of the plank introduced in 1994). This allows cars to follow much closer even though they had less overall aero.
2. Tires were nowhere near as sticky as now. Also, much less marbles off line, so you could actually pass someone off line and still have grip.
3. Engines. Much more peaky overall, so way harder to drive. Considerably less driveable and not at all forgiving. You make a mistake and you pay for it. Kind of like racing a TAG kart.
4. Suspension. Much stiffer. Done to prevent pitching and therefore screwing up the effect of the flat bottom. Makes cars harder to drive and less forgiving on mistakes.
5. Weight. Cars were wayyyyy lighter back then. Makes them way more flickable and transfer less weight in transitions.

Pretty much all these make the cars harder to drive, require more commitment and reward the better driver.
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Old 04-17-2019, 01:22 PM
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Lots of things going on differently back then compared to now..

1. Less aero overall, but the cars were flat bottom (instead of the plank introduced in 1994). This allows cars to follow much closer even though they had less overall aero.
2. Tires were nowhere near as sticky as now. Also, much less marbles off line, so you could actually pass someone off line and still have grip.
3. Engines. Much more peaky overall, so way harder to drive. Considerably less driveable and not at all forgiving. You make a mistake and you pay for it. Kind of like racing a TAG kart.
4. Suspension. Much stiffer. Done to prevent pitching and therefore screwing up the effect of the flat bottom. Makes cars harder to drive and less forgiving on mistakes.
5. Weight. Cars were wayyyyy lighter back then. Makes them way more flickable and transfer less weight in transitions.

Pretty much all these make the cars harder to drive, require more commitment and reward the better driver.
I still wouldn't trade today's safer cars for those.
Racing Sports just isn't worth dying over IMO.

Cool little video:

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Old 04-17-2019, 01:39 PM
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I still wouldn't trade today's safer cars for those.
Racing Sports just isn't worth dying over IMO.
No definitely not!

Safety needs to be where it's at.

But, I think was can achieve both? Cars harder to drive with safety standards of today?
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Old 04-17-2019, 02:21 PM
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No definitely not!

Safety needs to be where it's at.

But, I think was can achieve both? Cars harder to drive with safety standards of today?
I certainly believe both are achievable. The biggest problem today is the complexity and expense of the power units, and further that nobody has caught up to MB. The DFV era produced some great racing despite practically being a spec engine class. Going into this year, everyone knows MB is the odds on favorite to win both titles and Ferrari is the only real challenger. 3 races in Ferrari still has the same promise and problems as last year. I think most F1 fans hope Red Bull can mix it up for some good racing but we'd be very surprised if they took 2nd in the driver or manufacturers championship

F1 is playing a dangerous game with 4 engines and 3 of those being factory teams with the 4th supplying to only 2 teams. LMP was at 3 factory teams and more exciting than F1 (In my opinion) until the money ran out with a factory and now there is 1. I am not a fan of the model of works teams supporting customer teams as it insures a 2 class race almost like a GT-AM vs GT-Pro. However, I am not sure in today's world of R&D using massive amounts of computer modeling and simulation how you can create an environment where a lower budget team can figure out a way to run up front like say how Tyrrell did in the 70s.

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Old 04-17-2019, 03:25 PM
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^^^^ agree with everything.

The REAL problem is not the complex PU's (that's definitely a problem). The REAL problem is poorly managed democracy that plagues F1.

Complex PU's or not (I definitely prefer simple), someone needs to take charge and put the dic in dictatorship.


Let's take a look at MotoGP, shall we?

Remember when Ducati came in? They made a special CLASS for them.
That's what is possible!
All this bullshit is because everyone has an opinion and nothing gets done.

B class, or 2nd tier or whatever you want to call them cold EASILY be competitive if they had some form of a consession. One step softer tiers? 10kg more fuel? Etc. Etc. It's all possible...

They should get rid of hybrid systems all together and make the cars 100kg lighter using the same V6 engine limited to 6 engines per year. ERS is relevant in road cars which is fine, but F1 shouldn't be all about going green or whatever. Leave that **** to endurance racing.

These cars would be insanely fast if they were 100kg lighter.
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Old 04-17-2019, 04:22 PM
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Not going to say you have a bad idea. My 1st complaint with the current motors is MB started with an advantage and has maintained that advantage partially because of rules limiting R&D revisions. 2nd is developing a power unit takes the backing of a manufacturer such as MB. F1 oligarchs have priced the Judd, Cosworth, Ilmores of the world out of the game. So Ferrari and MB have a massive advantage over the field.

Crazy idea I've had is a spec ICE engine and allow them to develop a KERS unit (whatever they call it) or spec KERS and develop the ICE engine allowing various layout on a fuel consumption based formula possibly along the lines of what Audi, Porsche and Toyota were using in LMP. F1 should have some amount of cutting edge R&D but the expense dictates that we sadly have to limit it.

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Old 04-17-2019, 09:46 PM
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^^^ Oddly enough Ilmor worked on both the Honda and the Renault...


Testing.
Real world testing.

That is what we need.


An opportunity to test revisions in real life instead of relying on Billion dollar supercomputers.

Testing would give the underdogs a fighting chance.

Or even better - no testing for the top 3, but everyone else gets to test.
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Old 04-18-2019, 01:24 AM
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There's a million ways F1 could make the entertainment more interesting, but the top 2 teams have a stranglehold on the sport.
Liberty is trying to fight it, unlike Bernie who just gave up.
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Old 04-18-2019, 12:11 PM
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The most epic part of the entire race for me!
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Old 04-18-2019, 12:49 PM
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It was truly masterful... I bet Haas wishes they had that pit crew
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr View Post
The most epic part of the entire race for me!
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It was truly masterful... I bet Haas wishes they had that pit crew

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Old 04-19-2019, 10:11 AM
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Kubica on Williams:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6..._very_strange/

Simulation of the new Vietnam track under construction:

Don't get me started....

Jackie Stewart questions whether Hamilton is really better than Vettel:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...r_than_Vettel/
He has a point IMO.

Alonso hints at a comeback:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...eback_in_2020/




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Old 04-20-2019, 08:21 AM
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Chris Medland's analysis of Mercedes and Ferrari going into this off-weekend:

https://racer.com/2019/04/19/medland...s-for-ferrari/

Can't really argue with anything he writes here (or darn near anything he writes, period).

Have a great Easter weekend!
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Old 04-20-2019, 08:54 AM
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Thank Mike.

I brought the Holy Cross yesterday in our cathédrale for one of the 14 stations of the Cross, I wish serenity and inner peace to all.

Happy Easter holidays for all.
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Old 04-20-2019, 12:23 PM
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Don't expect a wild Silly Season this year:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...eason_in_2019/
The REAL Silly Season will be next year.


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Old 04-21-2019, 01:07 PM
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Here is why teams don't like their drivers doing donuts :
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6..._doing_donuts/
Yeah, that CAN'T be good on an engine.

Gasly thinks he knows the problem:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...en_comes_from/
I hope he gets his act together...I like the kid.

Max isn't awed by anyone on the grid:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...en_comes_from/
As a driver, I'm sure this is the right attitude to have.
Being intimidated of the competition isn't the way to win the WDC.

Vettel top prize money earner:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6..._prize_money_/
Interesting statistics.
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:33 AM
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It was a crap race because you KNEW what was gonna happen.
That's it.

Races should be full of drama and unexpected twists and turns. That didn't happen.
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If you want a show, go watch NASCAR or IndyCar. "the show" has no place in F1, IMO. Would I like the racing to be better? Sure. But I'm not willing to sacrifice the pinnacle of motorsports from a technology standpoint to get there.

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Simulation of the new Vietnam track under construction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPtbo5UIZFA
Don't get me started....
Outside of the "esses" towards the end of the track, every corner is a hairpin in 1st, 2nd or 3rd. I hope I'm wrong, but there's either going to be a mess of carbon fiber from drivers colliding, or that's going to be one of the more boring tracks to watch a race on.
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Old 04-22-2019, 10:47 AM
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If you want a show, go watch NASCAR or IndyCar. "the show" has no place in F1, IMO. Would I like the racing to be better? Sure. But I'm not willing to sacrifice the pinnacle of motorsports from a technology standpoint to get there.
FWIW, I don't think F1 has to give up its crown regarding technology to improve the racing from a fan's POV.
I believe new regs are the key...regs that do not FAVOR certain players over others.
Right now, racing results tend to be determined by he who has the deepest pockets.
Is that the way to go?
Outside of the "esses" towards the end of the track, every corner is a hairpin in 1st, 2nd or 3rd. I hope I'm wrong, but there's either going to be a mess of carbon fiber from drivers colliding, or that's going to be one of the more boring tracks to watch a race on.
I'm afraid I have to agree...
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