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Old 05-25-2018, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by LateBreak
Yes, but it will require some custom work to make it happen, adding tone rings on the axle or something.
I have the tone rings installed already. I'm currently using passive sensors for the Racelogic Traction control. I could add a second set of tone rings at the inboard position (next to the transaxle) for active sensors. I've never seen a stand alone active sensor though. Can you point me in the right direction.
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I'm only marginally knowledgeable on what specific sensors will work with your system so I'm hesitant to suggest anything, Louis probably knows exactly what will work for you or might even have something at his shop.
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Originally Posted by KENS80V
I have the tone rings installed already. I'm currently using passive sensors for the Racelogic Traction control. I could add a second set of tone rings at the inboard position (next to the transaxle) for active sensors. I've never seen a stand alone active sensor though. Can you point me in the right direction.
Ken, thats awesome. Let me pass this along to engineering. We have already had a dual sensor setup on a customers viper several years ago. One active, one passive.
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Were you able to use the stock wheel position sensor on the steering column with a CAN emulator or did you need to adapt the one that comes with the harness?

My SL-C uses the Cadillac XLR column which is almost identical to the C6 steering column.

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So is it possible to do this while still using factory ECU and wiring for engine management or do I have to go standalone?
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So is it possible to do this while still using factory ECU and wiring for engine management or do I have to go standalone?

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Yep, Doug Wardell. Keep in mind, its a standalone ABS. If you plan to run it with your stock engine harness, you have more hurdles to jump.

Seems you will have to convert the ECU to a stand alone system such as the ones used in LS swaps. Which means the EBCM and various other functions will be lost unless you are willing to R&D deleting the factory ABS/Active handling/traction control. I doubt it would be an easy process.

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Old 12-10-2018, 01:33 PM
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Does the factory PCM really go into some kind of "limp-home" mode if the ABS module is not present?

I was hoping that it would just put a warning on the dashboard and let you keep driving.
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Originally Posted by NSFW
Does the factory PCM really go into some kind of "limp-home" mode if the ABS module is not present?

I was hoping that it would just put a warning on the dashboard and let you keep driving.
I know of one that is is running the Mk60 system and the stock ECU. It throws up all kinds of warnings but it still goes.

Here is the car:

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ams-build.html

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Old 12-11-2018, 04:21 PM
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Does the factory PCM really go into some kind of "limp-home" mode if the ABS module is not present?

I was hoping that it would just put a warning on the dashboard and let you keep driving.
It will misfire. You will need to program the ecu like a standalone from speartech or Painless.

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So is it possible to do this while still using factory ECU and wiring for engine management or do I have to go standalone?
Just convert the car to an LS hotrod harness, and it will work fine. There are some details youll need to work out, but it will be cheaper than a motec, which is what we put in this car that the post is about.
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For installing the ZR1 axles, are there anything thing that needs to be done to the diff for this or do they simply replace the c5 axles?
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They pop right in the C5 diff, easy cheesy. Once you have the 09+ active hubs with the different spline, the ZR1 axles slide right into those. It's extremely easy.

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Old 07-13-2019, 03:01 AM
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@GSpeed using this with factory ecu what would be needed to overcome?
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While you wait for GSpeed, I believe the body control module would need to be deleted. IIRC it controls ABS. You'd need to deal with whatever the effects of no BCM has on the ECU.
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So going with the stand alone engine harness, and the bmw abs, what goes on with the bcm on a c6?
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I got my hands on a pair of 09-13 hubs that are for sure 33 spline but have a black abs wire cover instead of yellow. Part number is GM# 19208048. Shouldn't all 09+ have the active sensors? Especially if it's the 33 spline.

Do you know of any way other than color to verify active vs passive?
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Reviving this old thread as I'm pursuing this for a C5.

I'm having trouble sourcing 30 spline active hubs. Does this exist? I will mention that if I can obtain blank hubs, I can cut the spline myself.

If the only option is to convert to the BR930544 X Tracker Zr1 hub (33 spline) with active yellow wire I would have to get custom axles or redo the whole rear end (from what I've read).

GForce is also concerned with the axle switch for "rubbing"

From them:

Axles:
https://gforce1320.com/product/c5-c6...eft-and-right/

Direct link for their suggested hubs:
https://www.mechanicalpower.net/shop...-hub-assembly/

Once you have these hubs, you would simply purchase the newer 09-13 based C6 Axles.

The Viking coilovers would be my only concern. They use a bigger shock body towards the bottom assembly, and I'm afraid they very well may interfere with the actual CV body of our axles. I think your best bet there is to scour the internet and see if anyone has had any luck with that same setup using our axles.



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i want to know the complete solution as well, i have a 2000 c5 frc and viking 3 way adjustable coilovers

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Old 10-16-2023, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by a_ahmed
i want to know the complete solution as well, i have a 2000 c5 frc and viking 3 way adjustable coilovers
While looking for answers I tried reaching out to my bearing suppliers and SKF directly to see if I can manufacture the hub as a 30 spline, I'll keep you (and others) in mind if this is a feasible option.

But for now, I really am looking for all options to make this work.
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I just used the OEM C6 33 spline axles in my C5 but I do have Penskes. These are paired with the active C6 spline hubs of course.
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Originally Posted by rlogan
I just used the OEM C6 33 spline axles in my C5 but I do have Penskes. These are paired with the active C6 spline hubs of course.
To clarify, the OEM C6 33 Spline axles will fit with the C5 diff --- I was under the impression that both sides (spline end and diff end) were different but I can't find that definitive information.

Do you have a part number?


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