High end coilovers
#1
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
High end coilovers
So obviously with enough money people can buy just about anything but not all of us are loaded.
My experience with better shocks was with koni race shocks... but on another platform all together...
Since I got on board with the vette, I first was on the stock shocks and lowered bolts, I didn't like the strange transfer from side to side on the vette... and it was jarring however it was incredibly stable to 295kph every single time (gps verified).
The vette felt like a boat, so i upgraded swaybars from steinjagger, but still felt like a boat.
Then I bought HSD coilovers per suggestion of some people, I had a feeling it'll be a fail... chinese coilovers... which I was always against. Initially it felt smoother but then it became a pogo stick and was so bouncy... and it also was no longer stable to high speeds.
After being sold on all the hype went with aldan coilovers... was super excited... then after installing... not that impressed, felt a bit better than the hsd coilovers but until now the rear end has a side to side bounce and the car is no longer stable past 230kph, the side to side bounce is just outright scary after each bump. Initially I was given wrong damping settings but after playing around the car felt better but that bounce was still there.
So thousands of canadian dollars down the drain (had to pay customs, shipping etc... plus the price -- now the aldans are cheaper then when i got them 'on sale') .... i am left with a not so happy vette.
Someone just told me about silver neo-max coilovers from taiwan... about a 1000usd with shipping but this sounds like going down the hsd route.... maybe maybe not...
Instead of spending more money... I wish i went with a high end damper setup... and drop spindles...
Since now I am stuck with coilovers that don't work as well as I hoped they would... what are the options out there?
MCS, Moton, AST, Bilstein... who has them, how were your experiences, costs, etc....
I don't care to slam the car... and the car is slammed now with the aldans.. .can't go higher. I want to get drop spindles to correct the arms shooting up... just terrible...
Dampers should be controlling the car and absorbing bumps for maximum mechanical grip... not be jarring and bouncing... and it seems most just do that... bounce around and jar your body from poor damping....
My experience with better shocks was with koni race shocks... but on another platform all together...
Since I got on board with the vette, I first was on the stock shocks and lowered bolts, I didn't like the strange transfer from side to side on the vette... and it was jarring however it was incredibly stable to 295kph every single time (gps verified).
The vette felt like a boat, so i upgraded swaybars from steinjagger, but still felt like a boat.
Then I bought HSD coilovers per suggestion of some people, I had a feeling it'll be a fail... chinese coilovers... which I was always against. Initially it felt smoother but then it became a pogo stick and was so bouncy... and it also was no longer stable to high speeds.
After being sold on all the hype went with aldan coilovers... was super excited... then after installing... not that impressed, felt a bit better than the hsd coilovers but until now the rear end has a side to side bounce and the car is no longer stable past 230kph, the side to side bounce is just outright scary after each bump. Initially I was given wrong damping settings but after playing around the car felt better but that bounce was still there.
So thousands of canadian dollars down the drain (had to pay customs, shipping etc... plus the price -- now the aldans are cheaper then when i got them 'on sale') .... i am left with a not so happy vette.
Someone just told me about silver neo-max coilovers from taiwan... about a 1000usd with shipping but this sounds like going down the hsd route.... maybe maybe not...
Instead of spending more money... I wish i went with a high end damper setup... and drop spindles...
Since now I am stuck with coilovers that don't work as well as I hoped they would... what are the options out there?
MCS, Moton, AST, Bilstein... who has them, how were your experiences, costs, etc....
I don't care to slam the car... and the car is slammed now with the aldans.. .can't go higher. I want to get drop spindles to correct the arms shooting up... just terrible...
Dampers should be controlling the car and absorbing bumps for maximum mechanical grip... not be jarring and bouncing... and it seems most just do that... bounce around and jar your body from poor damping....
Last edited by a_ahmed; 03-14-2019 at 01:23 PM.
#2
Burning Brakes
There was a set of JRi coilovers in the for sale section this week. I run them on my car and they are outstanding.
#3
Instructor
You can get a set of new non-adjustable Penske 7500s for $2600 USD which will greatly outperform the Aldans. Keep an eye on the for sale section too, for JRi or Penske or MCS.
#4
Racer
Penske 8300s are fully adjustable and are what I am looking at for my car. Another car that I drive has those on it. Another advantage of Penske is that they are servicable/rebuildable through a number of companies.
I would quit buying off brand and go with Penskes or something equivalent like JRZ or JRi.
I would quit buying off brand and go with Penskes or something equivalent like JRZ or JRi.
Last edited by jw1; 03-14-2019 at 06:10 PM.
#5
Drifting
I have the Penske 8300 DA. They are excellent.
#6
Race Director
G-loc has non adjustable Penske coilovers at a good price, and I'm sure can do 2 and 3x also. I've been currently happy with my LG's but my car is 2600lb
#8
"AlohaC5" Senior Member
#9
Kirk
#10
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Anyone run kw coilovers? They have a few different versions.
I'm surprised that you're describing the LGs as too harsh for the street? GT or G2? I was thinking about them as I was regretting getting the aldans...
I'm surprised that you're describing the LGs as too harsh for the street? GT or G2? I was thinking about them as I was regretting getting the aldans...
#11
I have run AST on a previous car (different platform) and they were really good. I have heard that they have some quality control issues though, if they are brand new. I tried to buy Penske 8300s, as I had a friend that runs them, and loves them, but the vendor I ordered through was flaky and I didn't get anything after almost 6 months of waiting. I currently have a set MCS 2W on my car and it is in no way bouncy. Rides super smooth with the shocks at full soft, and then I can turn them up when I'm at the track for a little more body control. I really like them.
I wish I had a comparison to the Penskes. I do know that the rebound adjustment on the Penskes is the awful sweep style, instead of clicks. You basically have to jack up the car and take the wheel off to adjust. The MCS required me to cut a hole in the trunk floor to get to the rear rebound adjuster. I filled the holes with desk grommets to make it look a little cleaner. But not everyone would want to do that on their nice street car. I might be a little crazy.
I wish I had a comparison to the Penskes. I do know that the rebound adjustment on the Penskes is the awful sweep style, instead of clicks. You basically have to jack up the car and take the wheel off to adjust. The MCS required me to cut a hole in the trunk floor to get to the rear rebound adjuster. I filled the holes with desk grommets to make it look a little cleaner. But not everyone would want to do that on their nice street car. I might be a little crazy.
#12
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
where did u get ur mcs coilovers?
looking on this site its over 4000usd for the coilover GT or GTS spring rate
https://vorshlag-store.com/products/...nt=43221700947
thats psychotic prices.. especially for me as a canadian... :/ could buy another little car for the price haha...
looking on this site its over 4000usd for the coilover GT or GTS spring rate
https://vorshlag-store.com/products/...nt=43221700947
thats psychotic prices.. especially for me as a canadian... :/ could buy another little car for the price haha...
Last edited by a_ahmed; 03-15-2019 at 03:07 PM.
#13
Supporting Vendor
We do a lot of shocks here. I'll list the options later. But Personally, have had: Penske, Koni, KW, Ridetech, MCS on Corvettes. And more if you include other cars.
I have Penske 8300's on my C7, and had a set on my C6 most of the last year I owned it. Note that unlike most others "Penske" shocks are not all the same, they are basically all custom built and there are a lot of wacky ideas, and some very basic ideas. When I do Penske's here, and I am a dealer for them, I work directly with Penske in Reading on the valving and the building of them. I have a personal shock tech in fact. I can tell you the difference between these and say an MCS or a JRZ is massive. I had MCS shortly a few years back and sold them as they weren't better than what I had and takes a buckshot approach to valving, in that the range is super broad, meaning that few individual adjustements are in play for what a particular person nees. JRZ tends to be way too high in compression and lacking in rebound. And MANY shocks are just linear, no low speed control to speak of, and low speed rebound is what gives you roll and pitch control. Without that you need up needing much stiffer springs to get the car to feel decent than you really need. And then the grip and ride suffers.
A side note. Penske, when doing Doubles, really does not like to use the 7500 inline for that on this car. Anyone who has looked knows that the car gets down and onto the bumpstops. Having both compression and rebound adjusters inline means you have less internal stroke before something hits something else, so they prefer to move the compression adjuster and dividing piston to the bottle. Now there are singles where this isn't an issue, and some doubles where it isn't either, like the twin-tube KW as that design has less stack height to it.
Really it's detailed, far more than you can realisitically get into on a forum or a PM discussion.
And there are optional Penske Adjusters that don't use the sweep style. I don't have sweep shocks on my car. In fact there are two other options. And no drilling into the car like the MCS either.
I have Penske 8300's on my C7, and had a set on my C6 most of the last year I owned it. Note that unlike most others "Penske" shocks are not all the same, they are basically all custom built and there are a lot of wacky ideas, and some very basic ideas. When I do Penske's here, and I am a dealer for them, I work directly with Penske in Reading on the valving and the building of them. I have a personal shock tech in fact. I can tell you the difference between these and say an MCS or a JRZ is massive. I had MCS shortly a few years back and sold them as they weren't better than what I had and takes a buckshot approach to valving, in that the range is super broad, meaning that few individual adjustements are in play for what a particular person nees. JRZ tends to be way too high in compression and lacking in rebound. And MANY shocks are just linear, no low speed control to speak of, and low speed rebound is what gives you roll and pitch control. Without that you need up needing much stiffer springs to get the car to feel decent than you really need. And then the grip and ride suffers.
A side note. Penske, when doing Doubles, really does not like to use the 7500 inline for that on this car. Anyone who has looked knows that the car gets down and onto the bumpstops. Having both compression and rebound adjusters inline means you have less internal stroke before something hits something else, so they prefer to move the compression adjuster and dividing piston to the bottle. Now there are singles where this isn't an issue, and some doubles where it isn't either, like the twin-tube KW as that design has less stack height to it.
Really it's detailed, far more than you can realisitically get into on a forum or a PM discussion.
And there are optional Penske Adjusters that don't use the sweep style. I don't have sweep shocks on my car. In fact there are two other options. And no drilling into the car like the MCS either.
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#14
where did u get ur mcs coilovers?
looking on this site its over 4000usd for the coilover GT or GTS spring rate
https://vorshlag-store.com/products/...nt=43221700947
thats psychotic prices.. especially for me as a canadian... :/ could buy another little car for the price haha...
looking on this site its over 4000usd for the coilover GT or GTS spring rate
https://vorshlag-store.com/products/...nt=43221700947
thats psychotic prices.. especially for me as a canadian... :/ could buy another little car for the price haha...
#15
Premium Supporting Vendor
So obviously with enough money people can buy just about anything but not all of us are loaded.
My experience with better shocks was with koni race shocks... but on another platform all together...
Since I got on board with the vette, I first was on the stock shocks and lowered bolts, I didn't like the strange transfer from side to side on the vette... and it was jarring however it was incredibly stable to 295kph every single time (gps verified).
The vette felt like a boat, so i upgraded swaybars from steinjagger, but still felt like a boat.
Then I bought HSD coilovers per suggestion of some people, I had a feeling it'll be a fail... chinese coilovers... which I was always against. Initially it felt smoother but then it became a pogo stick and was so bouncy... and it also was no longer stable to high speeds.
After being sold on all the hype went with aldan coilovers... was super excited... then after installing... not that impressed, felt a bit better than the hsd coilovers but until now the rear end has a side to side bounce and the car is no longer stable past 230kph, the side to side bounce is just outright scary after each bump. Initially I was given wrong damping settings but after playing around the car felt better but that bounce was still there.
So thousands of canadian dollars down the drain (had to pay customs, shipping etc... plus the price -- now the aldans are cheaper then when i got them 'on sale') .... i am left with a not so happy vette.
Someone just told me about silver neo-max coilovers from taiwan... about a 1000usd with shipping but this sounds like going down the hsd route.... maybe maybe not...
Instead of spending more money... I wish i went with a high end damper setup... and drop spindles...
Since now I am stuck with coilovers that don't work as well as I hoped they would... what are the options out there?
MCS, Moton, AST, Bilstein... who has them, how were your experiences, costs, etc....
I don't care to slam the car... and the car is slammed now with the aldans.. .can't go higher. I want to get drop spindles to correct the arms shooting up... just terrible...
Dampers should be controlling the car and absorbing bumps for maximum mechanical grip... not be jarring and bouncing... and it seems most just do that... bounce around and jar your body from poor damping....
My experience with better shocks was with koni race shocks... but on another platform all together...
Since I got on board with the vette, I first was on the stock shocks and lowered bolts, I didn't like the strange transfer from side to side on the vette... and it was jarring however it was incredibly stable to 295kph every single time (gps verified).
The vette felt like a boat, so i upgraded swaybars from steinjagger, but still felt like a boat.
Then I bought HSD coilovers per suggestion of some people, I had a feeling it'll be a fail... chinese coilovers... which I was always against. Initially it felt smoother but then it became a pogo stick and was so bouncy... and it also was no longer stable to high speeds.
After being sold on all the hype went with aldan coilovers... was super excited... then after installing... not that impressed, felt a bit better than the hsd coilovers but until now the rear end has a side to side bounce and the car is no longer stable past 230kph, the side to side bounce is just outright scary after each bump. Initially I was given wrong damping settings but after playing around the car felt better but that bounce was still there.
So thousands of canadian dollars down the drain (had to pay customs, shipping etc... plus the price -- now the aldans are cheaper then when i got them 'on sale') .... i am left with a not so happy vette.
Someone just told me about silver neo-max coilovers from taiwan... about a 1000usd with shipping but this sounds like going down the hsd route.... maybe maybe not...
Instead of spending more money... I wish i went with a high end damper setup... and drop spindles...
Since now I am stuck with coilovers that don't work as well as I hoped they would... what are the options out there?
MCS, Moton, AST, Bilstein... who has them, how were your experiences, costs, etc....
I don't care to slam the car... and the car is slammed now with the aldans.. .can't go higher. I want to get drop spindles to correct the arms shooting up... just terrible...
Dampers should be controlling the car and absorbing bumps for maximum mechanical grip... not be jarring and bouncing... and it seems most just do that... bounce around and jar your body from poor damping....
Last edited by Dane@LGmotorsports; 03-15-2019 at 04:02 PM.
#17
Melting Slicks
LG G2's have a bilstein damper - enough said. Although like LG said above, there's no adjustment to the product. Comfy enough on the street and solid performance on the track for a reasonable price vs the other brands you mentioned.
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Premium Supporting Vendor
GT2's are our own brand, and they actually out sell G2's 5:1 (GT2's cannot be rebuilt/revalved but have lifetime warranty).
I brought up G2's because the thread title is "high end coilovers".
I brought up G2's because the thread title is "high end coilovers".
Last edited by Dane@LGmotorsports; 03-18-2019 at 05:56 PM.