Interesting members thoughts
#1
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Interesting members thoughts
I was wondering what the percentage of NCRS guys are on this forum and why. I like this forum because you can express yourself more freely then on the NCRS forum .I like reading about mods but I'm mostly into originality concerning parts. I post often there on C1's and some here. I'm into original and modified Corvettes and was just thinking about the both.
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Le Mans Master
I thought the closing of the NCRS Discussion Board to only members was the worse possible step they could do.
NCRS is already viewed as snooty and arrogant by many and this closing to the public made it seem even more an exclusive club. (BTW, exclusive means "to exclude", not make you special. I don't consider that desirable.)
I haven't been back there since.
I have several friends there, but for an organization whose mission statement was to preserve the history of Corvettes, they sure shut the doors on a lot of people. It wasn't information they were after but membership numbers.
NCRS is already viewed as snooty and arrogant by many and this closing to the public made it seem even more an exclusive club. (BTW, exclusive means "to exclude", not make you special. I don't consider that desirable.)
I haven't been back there since.
I have several friends there, but for an organization whose mission statement was to preserve the history of Corvettes, they sure shut the doors on a lot of people. It wasn't information they were after but membership numbers.
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I am a NCRS member. I mainly belong because I appeciate and admire the hard work and dedication that the NCRS goes through to keep the original spirit of the Corvettes alive and true. It's great for technical information and to get a better idea of how your car was originally built, I use them as a great baseline for restoration. However....I drive my car quite a bit and I believe that driving these cars was the original intent. So I will put on more modern gas charged shocks and heat and sound barriers and use it, knowing that I can always rebuild what is damaged. I have seen NCRS guys take their incerdible drivers that they enjoyed so much, do a frame-off correct resto and delegate the rest of that perfect car's life to the floor of a show and therefore, the top of a trailer. I think that I'll go take my incorrect car out for a ride. And beat the hell out of it !
#6
Team Owner
I joined NCRS for a year and then dropped the membership....just didn't see big benefits if you aren't a numbers/originality zealot....
I want my '61 to look, feel, smell and run like a '61 did after the original owner had it for 6 months...and like you used to see on the street.
I don't really care if it has every tag, chalk mark, correct shade of semi-flat black in places, etc.. that it had when it rolled off the assembly line.
I want my '61 to look, feel, smell and run like a '61 did after the original owner had it for 6 months...and like you used to see on the street.
I don't really care if it has every tag, chalk mark, correct shade of semi-flat black in places, etc.. that it had when it rolled off the assembly line.
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I am a NCRS member. I mainly belong because I appeciate and admire the hard work and dedication that the NCRS goes through to keep the original spirit of the Corvettes alive and true. It's great for technical information and to get a better idea of how your car was originally built, I use them as a great baseline for restoration. However....I drive my car quite a bit and I believe that driving these cars was the original intent. So I will put on more modern gas charged shocks and heat and sound barriers and use it, knowing that I can always rebuild what is damaged. I have seen NCRS guys take their incerdible drivers that they enjoyed so much, do a frame-off correct resto and delegate the rest of that perfect car's life to the floor of a show and therefore, the top of a trailer. I think that I'll go take my incorrect car out for a ride. And beat the hell out of it !
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I've been a member for quite a while. I've owned Corvettes for 38 years but always find there are answers to questions I don't have. The collective knowledge in the NCRS is impressive. Members are always willing to help and share info.
Never had a car judged nor am I planning on it. I like original cars but don't mind a few changes that are subtle, to incorporate newer technology that enhances the driving. There are alot of members not into the judging but are into the driving.
Driving is where I get the most pleasure. I enjoy this forum alot but also participate in the NCRS Discussion board. It is a little cliquey but it's my fault for not getting more involved in events.
Never had a car judged nor am I planning on it. I like original cars but don't mind a few changes that are subtle, to incorporate newer technology that enhances the driving. There are alot of members not into the judging but are into the driving.
Driving is where I get the most pleasure. I enjoy this forum alot but also participate in the NCRS Discussion board. It is a little cliquey but it's my fault for not getting more involved in events.
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Pro
I have been an NCRS member since virtually it's beginning. I was at the very first meet they had. Why am I here? I like Corvettes. I will admit, I do generally gravitate around originality. But, there is a time in the cars life that so many things happened to it, that it is darn right silly to bring it back to the way it left the factory. Besides, I still like the sounds of headers and the use of a Hurst shifter.
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I have been a Corvette enthusiast since 1956 and a "watcher" back to 1953. The first Corvette I could afford, a '65 model, I bought in 1972. I still have it. It's original as can be on most counts. I've had a '64 and a '77 also. Still have a '63 also I bought five years ago. I like original/original looking/era correct.
I don't need the NCRS organization to give me a fuzzy feeling but I enjoy fraternizing with many of it's members. Not because they're members, because they're good people.
I also agree with Proc' Racing. They closed their board to members only. Their loss, not mine. In my book, just being snooty. I mean, it says when you open up the board that they're basically doing you a favor with a thrity day trial. I used to read and contribute almost daily. Now, I hardly ever go there and look in and don't miss it a bit.
I don't need the NCRS organization to give me a fuzzy feeling but I enjoy fraternizing with many of it's members. Not because they're members, because they're good people.
I also agree with Proc' Racing. They closed their board to members only. Their loss, not mine. In my book, just being snooty. I mean, it says when you open up the board that they're basically doing you a favor with a thrity day trial. I used to read and contribute almost daily. Now, I hardly ever go there and look in and don't miss it a bit.
#11
Racer
I too, joined NCRS for a year and didn't renew. My '66 is pretty nice but no where near their standards. But I bought mine to drive.
I found myself thinking I should change this or correct that to make the car more original. I didn't want to get into that trap.
I found myself thinking I should change this or correct that to make the car more original. I didn't want to get into that trap.
#12
Le Mans Master
I'm an NCRS member. My daily routine when I get home is to visit the NCRS technical discussion board, then CF C-2 discussion, then CFOT, and then eBay for C-2 parts.
I think that NCRS and CF serve basically the same purpose but go about it in different ways. NCRS is more 'by the book' while CF has a bigger tent, so to speak. I try to avoid using the word 'intolerant', but CF is more tolerant of 'stupid' questions, mods to cars, and newcomers. I have seen all too often on NCRS the response "been discussed many times before, check the archives". That's not very courteous to a newcomer or to someone who really needs the information.
I know that CF is more fun. Not criticizing NCRS, because I've learned a wealth of information there and having a knowledgeable member volunteer to inspect a car is priceless. One of its very respected experts drove an hour to inspect a 67 Corvette, prepared a report, and sent many pictures, all for $100. He saved me many headaches (and dollars) had I bought that car.
I don't know what NCRS is going to do with me when it finds out what I'm getting ready to do. I'm awaiting delivery of a very rare 67 that has Top Flighted three times. I'm going to drive it!
I think that NCRS and CF serve basically the same purpose but go about it in different ways. NCRS is more 'by the book' while CF has a bigger tent, so to speak. I try to avoid using the word 'intolerant', but CF is more tolerant of 'stupid' questions, mods to cars, and newcomers. I have seen all too often on NCRS the response "been discussed many times before, check the archives". That's not very courteous to a newcomer or to someone who really needs the information.
I know that CF is more fun. Not criticizing NCRS, because I've learned a wealth of information there and having a knowledgeable member volunteer to inspect a car is priceless. One of its very respected experts drove an hour to inspect a 67 Corvette, prepared a report, and sent many pictures, all for $100. He saved me many headaches (and dollars) had I bought that car.
I don't know what NCRS is going to do with me when it finds out what I'm getting ready to do. I'm awaiting delivery of a very rare 67 that has Top Flighted three times. I'm going to drive it!
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Burning Brakes
Been an NCRS member since I bought this vette 2 years ago. My feeling is I need all the help I can get sometimes. I also enjoy the magazine. That being said I have no intention of ever doing a car for judging. I appreciate the work, time, effort and money that the guys who are into that go through but it's just not my cup of tea.
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Ive been an NCRS for quite some time. I find NCRS to be a tremendous source of information. Even if my cars aren't quite Top Flight, the ability to get as much stuff as possible correct makes the cars better.
I had a custom past, and I can appreciate certain modifications these days. It just doesnt interest me for my cars now. The tacky stuff is unfortunate.
Ive always driven my cars. My association with NCRS has nothing to do with whether my cars are driven. This site is much more like hanging out at a cruise-in parking lot with your buddies as opposed to the NCRS world. Both have value.
My problem here is, while people have valid points about some shortcoming of NCRS and some members, the general pervasive anti-NCRS vibe you get here quite often is just as bad as some of the behavior non-NCRS people accuse NCRS members of having.
I had a custom past, and I can appreciate certain modifications these days. It just doesnt interest me for my cars now. The tacky stuff is unfortunate.
Ive always driven my cars. My association with NCRS has nothing to do with whether my cars are driven. This site is much more like hanging out at a cruise-in parking lot with your buddies as opposed to the NCRS world. Both have value.
My problem here is, while people have valid points about some shortcoming of NCRS and some members, the general pervasive anti-NCRS vibe you get here quite often is just as bad as some of the behavior non-NCRS people accuse NCRS members of having.
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Both CF and NCRS have their value. Both have shortcomings. But generally, you can discuss anything here and there is even an off topic area for discussing literally anything that comes out of one's head, from either end.
On the NCRS Tech Discussion Board, you have to toe the line. There is a definite hierarchy of who is important and who isn't and if you upset those above, they shut you down. In that case, you are usually never welcome to return.
Generally, you have the masses blow you off here, unless you get to far off and then a moderator shuts your thread down. If you really do bad, you go to band camp for awhile.
NCRS is basically intolerant. Part of that is the nature and purpose of their organization, so it is to be expected. Like going to a Baptist church and wondering why they don't have Saturday night dances for the teens in the basement. Or wondering why the Catholics don't tell unmarried pregnant teens that abortion is another option.
It doesn't fit, you know the rules going in, and so you have to abide.
Here, the rules are a bit wider. They are for Corvettes here, not restored or surviving original Corvettes only. That automatically opens them to a wider audience. Now a few of the "creations" people have displayed here have surprised me that there wasn't a massive increase in NCRS membership as a result, but still, that is what CF is about - anything Corvettes.
Also, most of those with attitudes don't last long here. On the NCRS TDB, often the attitudes are the ones in the hierarchy.
On the NCRS Tech Discussion Board, you have to toe the line. There is a definite hierarchy of who is important and who isn't and if you upset those above, they shut you down. In that case, you are usually never welcome to return.
Generally, you have the masses blow you off here, unless you get to far off and then a moderator shuts your thread down. If you really do bad, you go to band camp for awhile.
NCRS is basically intolerant. Part of that is the nature and purpose of their organization, so it is to be expected. Like going to a Baptist church and wondering why they don't have Saturday night dances for the teens in the basement. Or wondering why the Catholics don't tell unmarried pregnant teens that abortion is another option.
It doesn't fit, you know the rules going in, and so you have to abide.
Here, the rules are a bit wider. They are for Corvettes here, not restored or surviving original Corvettes only. That automatically opens them to a wider audience. Now a few of the "creations" people have displayed here have surprised me that there wasn't a massive increase in NCRS membership as a result, but still, that is what CF is about - anything Corvettes.
Also, most of those with attitudes don't last long here. On the NCRS TDB, often the attitudes are the ones in the hierarchy.
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Pro
I have belonged to NCRS for almost 30 years, as well as NCCC, SCCA, AACA and other car clubs. Many of us also belong to various types of forums also. I enjoy the purist side of NCRS, the Competition side of SCCA and also the part of the hobby that enjoys modifying our Corvettes.
There is room for all forms of enthusiasm in our hobby.
Enjoy...Dave
There is room for all forms of enthusiasm in our hobby.
Enjoy...Dave
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Drifting
Ive been an NCRS for quite some time. I find NCRS to be a tremendous source of information. Even if my cars aren't quite Top Flight, the ability to get as much stuff as possible correct makes the cars better.
I had a custom past, and I can appreciate certain modifications these days. It just doesnt interest me for my cars now. The tacky stuff is unfortunate.
Ive always driven my cars. My association with NCRS has nothing to do with whether my cars are driven. This site is much more like hanging out at a cruise-in parking lot with your buddies as opposed to the NCRS world. Both have value.
My problem here is, while people have valid points about some shortcoming of NCRS and some members, the general pervasive anti-NCRS vibe you get here quite often is just as bad as some of the behavior non-NCRS people accuse NCRS members of having.
I had a custom past, and I can appreciate certain modifications these days. It just doesnt interest me for my cars now. The tacky stuff is unfortunate.
Ive always driven my cars. My association with NCRS has nothing to do with whether my cars are driven. This site is much more like hanging out at a cruise-in parking lot with your buddies as opposed to the NCRS world. Both have value.
My problem here is, while people have valid points about some shortcoming of NCRS and some members, the general pervasive anti-NCRS vibe you get here quite often is just as bad as some of the behavior non-NCRS people accuse NCRS members of having.
Regards,
Fred
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I have been a Corvette enthusiast since 1956 and a "watcher" back to 1953. The first Corvette I could afford, a '65 model, I bought in 1972. I still have it. It's original as can be on most counts. I've had a '64 and a '77 also. Still have a '63 also I bought five years ago. I like original/original looking/era correct.
I don't need the NCRS organization to give me a fuzzy feeling but I enjoy fraternizing with many of it's members. Not because they're members, because they're good people.
I also agree with Proc' Racing. They closed their board to members only. Their loss, not mine. In my book, just being snooty. I mean, it says when you open up the board that they're basically doing you a favor with a thrity day trial. I used to read and contribute almost daily. Now, I hardly ever go there and look in and don't miss it a bit.
I don't need the NCRS organization to give me a fuzzy feeling but I enjoy fraternizing with many of it's members. Not because they're members, because they're good people.
I also agree with Proc' Racing. They closed their board to members only. Their loss, not mine. In my book, just being snooty. I mean, it says when you open up the board that they're basically doing you a favor with a thrity day trial. I used to read and contribute almost daily. Now, I hardly ever go there and look in and don't miss it a bit.
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