stamp pad opinions
05-05-2009, 02:17 PM
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Race Director
Jim:
It just may be the way the photo was taken, but pad does not appear to me to be factory stampings. The stampings are to faint/thin, appears to be an overstamp or some interference on a few of the VIN numbers, the D of JD suffix is slightly cocked, and broach marks just don't look/feel right.
Larry
It just may be the way the photo was taken, but pad does not appear to me to be factory stampings. The stampings are to faint/thin, appears to be an overstamp or some interference on a few of the VIN numbers, the D of JD suffix is slightly cocked, and broach marks just don't look/feel right.
Larry
05-05-2009, 02:18 PM
#3
I'll give it a try. Even though the broach marks are going in the right direction, they look too fine and also too uniformed. The pad looks too crisp (fresh) to me.
Just my opinion though. Worth .00
Just my opinion though. Worth .00
05-05-2009, 02:53 PM
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Safety Car
It looks a little off to me. The last few vin numbers just do not look right. I am no expert and I am sure others will have a far better perspective...
05-05-2009, 03:32 PM
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Fold your tent. Yer outa' here!
05-06-2009, 12:27 AM
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Le Mans Master
Decked, sanded, and stamped.
Why?
The deck is below the water pump. An original isn't.
Also,
The D is canted.
Broach marks are too fresh and don't look like broach marks.
Assembly code most likely stamped with head on. Originals were stamped with the head off as the water jacket plug would have interfered with the gang holder.
* - Based on what is visible from the picture.
Why?
The deck is below the water pump. An original isn't.
Also,
The D is canted.
Broach marks are too fresh and don't look like broach marks.
Assembly code most likely stamped with head on. Originals were stamped with the head off as the water jacket plug would have interfered with the gang holder.
* - Based on what is visible from the picture.
05-06-2009, 06:38 AM
#8
Melting Slicks
I recently sold a 302 DZ engine back to the owner of the 69 Z/28 Camaro it came out of in 1979. It drew a lot of attention on Camaro.net and I studied the engine pad along with other pads, took pic's, etc.... No expert but this one does not take an expert. As already mentioned, the broach marks and canted letter politely stated, do not appear to be correct.
By the way, why you asking about this stamping. Is it your car, your stamping, a car for sale, or ??????
By the way, why you asking about this stamping. Is it your car, your stamping, a car for sale, or ??????
05-06-2009, 10:06 AM
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Burning Brakes
Thanks for the photo. It has the look of a state of the art, well made reproduction. But that just my opinion and I am no expert by any means.
Its a big block and it doesnt start with an F. So that is good.
Its a big block and it doesnt start with an F. So that is good.
05-06-2009, 11:02 AM
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I looked at a lot of these lately, but I am not an expert by any means. When looking at BB pads up close, it's really surprising how deep the real broach marks really are. I agree that those in the photo have probably been recreated. The giveaway to me, however, is the inconsistency in the orientation of the characters. And I agree that the pad is WAY below the water pump and to me indicates a pretty heavy machining pass on the deck to remove what was probably there before.
To be honest, I am sick and tired of all this. I was really growing weary of the process while buying my 67 big block. The bottom line to me is that the stamp debate is (largely) a speculative matter and a weak form of bench racing. If a pad looks correct, anyone can still have the opinion that it's a restamp. Unless a car can be airtight documented back to new, there is no way to prove that it's NOT a restamp. I decided to take it easy, buy what i wanted, and make a committment to drive it and use it like a new C6.
To be honest, I am sick and tired of all this. I was really growing weary of the process while buying my 67 big block. The bottom line to me is that the stamp debate is (largely) a speculative matter and a weak form of bench racing. If a pad looks correct, anyone can still have the opinion that it's a restamp. Unless a car can be airtight documented back to new, there is no way to prove that it's NOT a restamp. I decided to take it easy, buy what i wanted, and make a committment to drive it and use it like a new C6.
05-06-2009, 12:23 PM
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I actually enjoy it. It's part of the hobby and one of the things that sets us apart from enthusiasts of other marques.
It typically generates some lively discussion. Often we learn something that could help us avoid buying a restamp (happened to me once).
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It typically generates some lively discussion. Often we learn something that could help us avoid buying a restamp (happened to me once).
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To be honest, I am sick and tired of all this. QUOTE]
05-06-2009, 02:18 PM
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Drifting
Be careful out there.
Because of the value increase when you jump from a 390HP to a 400HP you need to be careful if you are relying ONLY on the engine stamp in an attempt to determine if the car is a factory 400HP car and there is no GM paperwork. It is one thing to pay for a real 400HP car with a restoration engine and another thing to pay for a "proposed" 400HP car that may in fact be a 390HP car (or even a small block) when it left the factory. If you are interested in the car and still believe the engine to be original, hire an expert to inspect the pad.
05-06-2009, 02:36 PM
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Because of the value increase when you jump from a 390HP to a 400HP you need to be careful if you are relying ONLY on the engine stamp in an attempt to determine if the car is a factory 400HP car and there is no GM paperwork. It is one thing to pay for a real 400HP car with a restoration engine and another thing to pay for a "proposed" 400HP car that may in fact be a 390HP car (or even a small block) when it left the factory. If you are interested in the car and still believe the engine to be original, hire an expert to inspect the pad.
Is this as serious as something like getting married and find out your bride is not a virgin?
Is a virgin worth more? Or less? Would you hire an expert to check "it" out for you?
05-06-2009, 03:09 PM
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05-06-2009, 06:08 PM
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05-06-2009, 07:35 PM
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Melting Slicks
One thing to possibly think of (or not)! On the Camaro.net they give very little discussion on what looks wrong with a re-stamp or cowl tag, etc. Reason, they do not want to help the bad gang get better at their filthy trade. They say its good or bad opinion based but not the reasons.
05-07-2009, 08:14 AM
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Broach cutters when new were sharp and after extended use would dull, changing the appearance even on new items. I have seen original broach marks of differing character being heavy or light.
From just studying this photo, my vote would be this is a re-stamp. Markings do not appear to be made by broach cutter. Car should however be looked at by expert should this be an issue in your purchase.
It is my understanding this car comes with real documentation and I feel is at very reasonable price.
From just studying this photo, my vote would be this is a re-stamp. Markings do not appear to be made by broach cutter. Car should however be looked at by expert should this be an issue in your purchase.
It is my understanding this car comes with real documentation and I feel is at very reasonable price.
05-07-2009, 10:26 AM
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