Ignition lock turns without the key in?
08-23-2010, 08:41 AM
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Le Mans Master
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Ignition lock turns without the key in?
On my 64 coupe i bought a set of ignition and door key/lock.
The problem with the old ignition key/lock is that i could start the car without using the key.
New key and just the same. Am i supposed to take anything off the ignition lock?
The problem with the old ignition key/lock is that i could start the car without using the key.
New key and just the same. Am i supposed to take anything off the ignition lock?
08-23-2010, 08:46 AM
#2
Drifting
I believe they all work the same way. Another thing that they allowed was for you to pull the key out while driving to unlock / lock the glove box.
On mine there is only one position 'lock' that prevents the start of car without a key. The key is required to remove ignition from this 'Lock' position.
RK
On mine there is only one position 'lock' that prevents the start of car without a key. The key is required to remove ignition from this 'Lock' position.
RK
08-23-2010, 09:23 AM
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Le Mans Master
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Here is a picture of the old and new lock and key
The old lock and key
The new lock and key
I cant be that the ignition lock is supposed to work without a key? Rather have a start button then
Looking at the new lock there looks like you can take off the metal piece over the pins that moves as you put the key in the lock but after looking at the
rest of the ignition there is no place where those pins fit
The old lock and key
The new lock and key
I cant be that the ignition lock is supposed to work without a key? Rather have a start button then
Looking at the new lock there looks like you can take off the metal piece over the pins that moves as you put the key in the lock but after looking at the
rest of the ignition there is no place where those pins fit
Last edited by TheSaint; 08-23-2010 at 09:35 AM.
08-23-2010, 09:55 AM
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Left to right Accessory,lock,off,on,start. They all work the same. Pull the key out in the lock position and you cannot start the car. If you pull the key out in the off position, you can start the car. If you can turn the lock without the key from the lock position,your switch is broken.
Last edited by chet b; 08-23-2010 at 09:58 AM.
08-23-2010, 09:58 AM
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Team Owner
Why didn't you take the old one to a locksmith and have it rebuilt, unless the chrome on the face is messed up.
jack
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08-23-2010, 10:06 AM
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Melting Slicks
As the way cars are designed and operate has changed some over the last 46 years, now might be a good time to invest in an owner's manual for your 64. You'll find there are other things about your 64 that are different from modern cars.
08-23-2010, 10:50 AM
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Look in your owner's manual on page 6. "NOTE: Key cannot be removed from the ignition switch when in OFF or ACC position, thus guarding against accidentally leaving switch OFF but not locked. Key may be removed when the switch is in LOCK or ON position and the switch may be moved between ON and OFF positions without the key".
08-23-2010, 08:02 PM
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Burning Brakes
Mine is the same way, Saint. But why is it that it doesn't make sense to only the two of us. Why in the heck would they have it where you can start the car without a key? Doesn't make sense no matter where you "pull the key out." Guess things have come a long way in 50 yrs.
08-23-2010, 08:37 PM
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Le Mans Master
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08-23-2010, 08:40 PM
#10
Le Mans Master
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I have it but it turns out that i have not read it good enough
I never use the lock position just the off position
I will check it tomorrow
I never use the lock position just the off position
I will check it tomorrow
08-23-2010, 09:22 PM
#11
Melting Slicks
Mine is the same way, Saint. But why is it that it doesn't make sense to only the two of us. Why in the heck would they have it where you can start the car without a key? Doesn't make sense no matter where you "pull the key out." Guess things have come a long way in 50 yrs.
08-24-2010, 05:01 AM
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Le Mans Master
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Just checked if i could turn the switch without the key in the locl position and i could not(got to use the key)so i think i will put in lock position when i am not using the car from now on. Not the off position(i have a main switch hidden though)
08-25-2010, 10:33 AM
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What John Z did not tell you is that this feature was standard across the General's line of cars in the 50's and up to '64. It was a convenience item. as others have noted. You did not have to run all over the house to find where your spouse left the keys when you wanted to run a quick errand.
YOur pics note the dog ears (wings) on the old lock but not the new one. Those were there, as someone else noted, specifically to turn the switch when the key wasn't being used. Us old guys remember these when our family car was new. lol
Rob
YOur pics note the dog ears (wings) on the old lock but not the new one. Those were there, as someone else noted, specifically to turn the switch when the key wasn't being used. Us old guys remember these when our family car was new. lol
Rob
08-25-2010, 11:54 AM
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Le Mans Master
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The new key and lock have the "dog ears too"
What John Z did not tell you is that this feature was standard across the General's line of cars in the 50's and up to '64. It was a convenience item. as others have noted. You did not have to run all over the house to find where your spouse left the keys when you wanted to run a quick errand.
YOur pics note the dog ears (wings) on the old lock but not the new one. Those were there, as someone else noted, specifically to turn the switch when the key wasn't being used. Us old guys remember these when our family car was new. lol
Rob
YOur pics note the dog ears (wings) on the old lock but not the new one. Those were there, as someone else noted, specifically to turn the switch when the key wasn't being used. Us old guys remember these when our family car was new. lol
Rob
08-25-2010, 02:14 PM
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My error, you know the old eyes just aren't what they use to be. Anyway,that is the way it is supposed to be. If you choose to drive without using the key, just have one with you in case you turn the switch too far by accident.
02-13-2013, 11:35 AM
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did you find out if it was the switch that is actually in the instrument cluster, NOT the key cylinder that you just replace by putting a paper clip in the little hole and pulling it out.
My car seems to have the same issue. In "Lock" it at first seems you can't turn the ignition without a key. But, if you jiggle it back and forward a bit without a key in it, it will move from "Lock" and you can turn it to start the car. Again, this is with no key and it initially in the "Lock" position.
My car seems to have the same issue. In "Lock" it at first seems you can't turn the ignition without a key. But, if you jiggle it back and forward a bit without a key in it, it will move from "Lock" and you can turn it to start the car. Again, this is with no key and it initially in the "Lock" position.
02-13-2013, 08:16 PM
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Burning Brakes
As a side note, back in the day the General made a lot more cars than there were unique key codes for. One of my friends used to collect GM ignition keys whenever he ran across them and had quite a collection. On average he could unlock/start about 50 % of the GM cars he tried ! Including mine. Bob
02-13-2013, 09:54 PM
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did you find out if it was the switch that is actually in the instrument cluster, NOT the key cylinder that you just replace by putting a paper clip in the little hole and pulling it out.
My car seems to have the same issue. In "Lock" it at first seems you can't turn the ignition without a key. But, if you jiggle it back and forward a bit without a key in it, it will move from "Lock" and you can turn it to start the car. Again, this is with no key and it initially in the "Lock" position.
My car seems to have the same issue. In "Lock" it at first seems you can't turn the ignition without a key. But, if you jiggle it back and forward a bit without a key in it, it will move from "Lock" and you can turn it to start the car. Again, this is with no key and it initially in the "Lock" position.
