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Old 01-15-2019, 10:27 AM
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Syd, here you go

Serial number . . .S107787

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STYLE 63 837
BODY 4277
TRIM 490L
PAINT 916A

Engine - 327/340hp
Tranny - BWT10 4 speed
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Old 01-15-2019, 11:20 AM
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Hi Mike,
I have been asked quite a few times before. I originally began compiling this list for my own use with the desire to learn more about '63 production, paint color rarity etc. and with the hope of maybe finding the cars built alongside mine for numbers and component comparison.
The list of cars grew quickly and over the years has never really slowed down much and I have been lucky to compare some built close to mine.
I had thought that once I hit 10% of '63 production that I would maybe write an article with some of my findings for the NCRS Restorer magazine but I blew through that target easily and then hit 15% and with new cars appearing weekly 20%. The current list is now about 700 cars away from 25% of total production.

I have been asking myself what to do with this information. If I were to go ahead and release it just how would I do it? Mail it out to those who have asked for it in the past and just let it circulate? I believe that is what was done with the Brooks registry as I was told.
However, some people have warned me that by releasing it I would be helping some of those who could use the info for shady purposes. Like helping those who might align numbers for false cars and I certainly do not want that to happen. A few others have suggested to me that I sell the list or provide a service.
At this point I might as well reach for the 25% total and use that time to think over if and how to release the information. Perhaps if I do not include the Body numbers in the data it would eliminate a good part of that threat from counterfeiters? In my eyes that would be a shame because it tells and shows a lot about the story.

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Hi Syd,

Rather than release the data could you post some statistics about the sample set to compare what you have to that of Nolan Adams.

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Old 01-15-2019, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BABY 63 View Post
Syd, here you go

Serial number . . .S107787

Trim Tag
E5
STYLE 63 837
BODY 4277
TRIM 490L
PAINT 916A

Engine - 327/340hp
Tranny - BWT10 4 speed
Syd looking at this information from Baby 63 and seeing that it is very close to mine I am beginning to wonder if there is a pattern between these Blue / Red cars. Is it possible they were all built within two days of each other. Our cars are 318 cars apart. His car seems to be equipped exactly as mine with 340 hp and power windows. Based on the others that you have recorded do they seem to fall in line with this time frame?

Thanks
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Old 01-15-2019, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BABY 63 View Post
Syd, here you go

Serial number . . .S107787

Trim Tag
E5
STYLE 63 837
BODY 4277
TRIM 490L
PAINT 916A

Engine - 327/340hp
Tranny - BWT10 4 speed
BABY 63 I sent you a PM. Please contact me.

Thanks
Jay
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Old 01-15-2019, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gold63 View Post
Hi Dave,
I had actually thought that your body number would be #6,828 but I was close.
I'm not certain how long I have had the info for your '63 but I do remember getting some of the info (paint color?) from your posts here.
I'm still trying to sort out what to do with my research file and decide how and if to share the data. As I get closer to the 25% total of '63 production mark I will begin the task of auditing the entries as there are notations that would need clarification for all to understand. In the meantime it is my pleasure to help out others as best that I can.
Thanks again Dave.

Syd
Syd;

While many of us appreciate your concern about using this information for nefarious means, withholding this information is not going to prevent that from happening. The information needed to "fake" a car is already readily available.

You cannot control the behavior of others, and withholding historical information in an attempt to do so is a lost cause.

My suggestion is to just publish your data, perhaps in the form of a sticky.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Ed
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BABY 63 View Post
Syd, here you go

Serial number . . .S107787

Trim Tag
E5
STYLE 63 837
BODY 4277
TRIM 490L
PAINT 916A

Engine - 327/340hp
Tranny - BWT10 4 speed
Thanks very much BABY 63. It looks like you've got a pretty rare Daytona Blue/Red '63!
Would love to see a picture or two when you're able.

Thanks again
Syd
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 856666 View Post
Hi Syd,

Rather than release the data could you post some statistics about the sample set to compare what you have to that of Nolan Adams.

Phil
Hi Phil,
I'm not certain what stats N Adams had or what stats you are interested in.
With several cars yet to be added in to the data, my '63 list stands today with info on 4,681 cars of which 2,642 are Coupes and 2,039 are Convertibles.
With so many cars re-painted Riverside Red the paint totals are somewhat off with Red easily leading the way as the most common color in the file with 1,073 cars.
Saddle Tan looks to be the rarest color for '63 with just 329 cars listed to date.

Let me know what stat you are looking for and if I can help i will.

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Old 01-15-2019, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by deejaydu View Post
Syd looking at this information from Baby 63 and seeing that it is very close to mine I am beginning to wonder if there is a pattern between these Blue / Red cars. Is it possible they were all built within two days of each other. Our cars are 318 cars apart. His car seems to be equipped exactly as mine with 340 hp and power windows. Based on the others that you have recorded do they seem to fall in line with this time frame?

Thanks
Jay
Hi Jay,
When looking through my list it does appear that you can see batches of cars painted the same color. There are groups of Blue for example, usually batched or book ended with Silver or Silver Blue cars. The same for white cars being sometimes grouped together so yes there does seem to be a pattern to the production madness at times.
The same holds true with automatic cars. You can pick out times in production where many were built close to one another.
This does not seem to be the case with Daytona Blue/Red as a color combo. I did a quick check (my eyes are still hurting from looking) and counted 24 63's with that combination in my file.
They appear throughout the production year, usually paired with a couple of other blue cars but not together as Blue/Red.

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Old 01-15-2019, 10:34 PM
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back then ,it could have been harder to switch colors,so painting 20+ blue-red-black-white-etc cars at once would have saved paint/labor
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Originally Posted by gold63 View Post
Hi Jay,
When looking through my list it does appear that you can see batches of cars painted the same color. There are groups of Blue for example, usually batched or book ended with Silver or Silver Blue cars. The same for white cars being sometimes grouped together so yes there does seem to be a pattern to the production madness at times.
The same holds true with automatic cars. You can pick out times in production where many were built close to one another.
This does not seem to be the case with Daytona Blue/Red as a color combo. I did a quick check (my eyes are still hurting from looking) and counted 24 63's with that combination in my file.
They appear throughout the production year, usually paired with a couple of other blue cars but not together as Blue/Red.

Syd
Syd that is great information to know. Thank you very much for looking through your entire file to determine that. To have 24 Blue / Red cars in your count is more than I would have expected just based on the few that seem to show up from time to time. Your commitment to logging this information is very much appreciated.

Jay
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Old 01-15-2019, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jv04 View Post
Syd;

While many of us appreciate your concern about using this information for nefarious means, withholding this information is not going to prevent that from happening. The information needed to "fake" a car is already readily available.

You cannot control the behavior of others, and withholding historical information in an attempt to do so is a lost cause.

My suggestion is to just publish your data, perhaps in the form of a sticky.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Ed
Hi Ed,
While it is very true that I cannot control what others do in "faking" cars and that the info is available, I am thinking that by at least maybe withholding the body numbers from my info that it would help to offset some of those from making trim tags with the correct info. I've seen many examples where either the vin tag or trim tag was replaced/swapped and the numbers don't line up.
Like I said before, omitting the body number data would be a shame because it tells a lot about the production history. I actually wish that I had paid closer attention to the trim tag data when I first started recording 63's as I missed out on a bunch of info when it was right there.
Thanks for your suggestion Ed. Maybe the sticky thing will eventually be the way to go?

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Old 01-17-2019, 09:56 AM
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Thanks very much BABY 63. It looks like you've got a pretty rare Daytona Blue/Red '63!
Would love to see a picture or two when you're able.

Thanks again
Syd
Thanks Syd, appreciate all the hard work you're doing for us! That is really good & valuable information - will post photo's when it's complete later this year
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Old 01-17-2019, 01:04 PM
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My 63 was originally white and later painted riverside red.
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Hi Syd,

Do you have any information on 30837S104801? This was my grandfathers at one point and I am in the process of searching for it. When he finished rebuilding it in early 80's it was Daytona Blue with Blue interior. It was purchased from Bonanza Corvettes in San Diego in 1979 and then he sold it to Carl Burger Dodge in CA in the late 80's. He passed away pretty soon after selling it so I am now trying to find it to bring it back in the family because it was by far the family's favorite vehicle he owned and for good reason. That's as far as my paper trail has gone so far and I will post some pictures once I can get my grandmother to send me some. For now I will post the picture of the paperwork from his original purchase.

Thanks,

-Christian

EDIT: Thanks to my mother for providing a picture that she has of the car, the license plate was WMLYNCH. And the picture has been added below.




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TitleCheck has located a NMVTIS record for VIN 30837S104801.


Google NMVTIS to get more details. DMVDesk or ADD123 are two companies that can query the database, but all it will tell you is the state that the car is titled / registered in.
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According to DMVdesk it was last titled/currently titled in Florida as of 04/10/2014. I appreciate the help, any little information gets me one step closer.

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Might think of contacting the NCRS Florida chapter. If allowed you could take out a 1/4 page ad in their newsletter. https://www.ncrsfl.org/
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Hi Christian,
I'm sorry but I did not have your grandfathers old '63 recorded in my file so I cannot provide any info for you.
Contacting the FL NCRS chapter is a good idea and you should give that a try.
That's a great photo you have as well as the document. Do you know any more about the car aside from the colors like what engine hp and transmission it had?

Thanks Christian and best of luck with your search!
Please post again when you find her!
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