JMG2

looking in the forsale forums, noticed a (nice) '67 with a *ce* 327/350.
I know what an HT 327/350 is, but not sure what the CE means (seller noted that the original motor was replaced under warranty) .

Thanks.

Scott Marzahl

Counter Exchange, or replacement engine.

JohnZ

Most original 5/50 warranty replacement engines were furnished as short blocks, and were stamped on the front pad with "CE" (for Chevrolet Engine), followed by a number for the year of manufacture, and a five-digit engine plant sequence number. Nothing in that sequence number has anything to do with the engine's mechanical configuration.

JMG2

so there's no way to figure out by engine stamping whether its a 327/350 replacement?

JohnZ

That's correct - the dealer ordered the "CE" replacement short block off a chart by part number so its internals matched the configuration of the failed engine, and that part number only appeared on the shipping paperwork and on the crate it came in. The stamping won't tell you anything except the year it was made and the engine plant it came from.

Scott Marzahl

You need to pull a head or get a good look through plug hole for the piston type. The 350hp will have the dome piston.

JMG2

yikes.
Ok, so that makes it harder. are there any "definitive" ways of identifying a '67 ht motor?

JohnZ

If it's a "CE" engine, the only way to verify it is to tear it down (to verify domed/forged pistons, large 2.02"/1.60" valves, cam casting number, etc.).

tach drive 61

what would they be worth today? the one I own was found 3 years ago in crate. now has 3 K miles.soon we will be reinstalling 519 283 270 HP solid lifter engine the CE will be packed away again

tach drive 61

this is how i found the ce block.left the dish pistons just balanced everything and put 151 hyd cam

69z28&ss396

My radio flyer did duty as an engine hauler for charlotte for four years.. then the hard rubber wheels broke apart and stuck me!! That wasn't fun.. But anyway, As I learned just the other day,

CE= Chevrolet Engine!

Mike Ward

No more than any other crate engine.

jimh_1962

maybe they would cost less in Canada...

Mike Ward

Would you pay more for an engine because of a CE stamp?

FASTZ

there is no way of telling that CE motor was installed as a warranty piece even with a work receipt. CE blocks are not that uncommon at swap meets

JMG2

does it detract from the value of an otherwise original car?
MY concern is that I have no way of knowing whether it's a real 327/350 without pulling the head

Mike Ward

It would be priced the same as any other car missing it's original engine.

Scott Marzahl

At least find a date correct casting for a replacement. You only lose do many points for the stamp pad.

vettebuyer6369

Yes, it does. It's an NOM, just like any other NOM.

However, era correct or block number correct or date appropriate blocks in cars seem to be easier to sell and a bit more desireable than say, a 350 or something. Actual dollar numbers will vary.

MikeM

The best thing to do with that block that has dished pistons is to strip it, hone they cylinders and put in new pistons w/350 rods and a 3 3/4" stroke crank and make it a 377 ci engine.

With the rear breather, very easy to hide the extra 50 cubic inches.

That's why someone would "pay extra".