1964 - Posi vs non-posi Whats the difference?
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1964 - Posi vs non-posi Whats the difference?
I don't understand the Rear Axle Codes. On a 1964 Rear carrier you can have a code "CA" which is a non-posi 3.36:1. You could also have a "CB" which is a posi 3.36:1.
Not totally understanding Posi, but this is what I'm thinking:
If you have posi, it seems that both wheels will turn. ie one main drive shaft turn will case the half shafts on each wheel to turn.
On a non-posi, it seems like only one 1 half shaft would have drive. ie one main drive shaft turn will case only one half shafts on each wheel to turn. The other seems like it would be dead and not used.
So that's my thought. Now the question is:
Is what I'm thinking is correct? Why the heck have two half shafts on a non-posi car? Why do you need it?
I know you guys are thinking: This guy is ~ha
Not totally understanding Posi, but this is what I'm thinking:
If you have posi, it seems that both wheels will turn. ie one main drive shaft turn will case the half shafts on each wheel to turn.
On a non-posi, it seems like only one 1 half shaft would have drive. ie one main drive shaft turn will case only one half shafts on each wheel to turn. The other seems like it would be dead and not used.
So that's my thought. Now the question is:
Is what I'm thinking is correct? Why the heck have two half shafts on a non-posi car? Why do you need it?
I know you guys are thinking: This guy is ~ha
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I think that video doesn't quite answer the question; both solid axle and independent rear suspension have posi AND non-posi rears. The half shafts provide independent suspension regardless of the posi or non-posi rear end. Meaning one side of the car can 'float' or 'rebound' over bumps/obstacles, etc, without much affect on the other side.
One reason solid axle cars are also sometimes 'live axles' by old-timers ... anything happens to one side its solid nature transfers it to the other.
One reason solid axle cars are also sometimes 'live axles' by old-timers ... anything happens to one side its solid nature transfers it to the other.
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As long as neither drive wheel slips, a non-posi rear will divide the drive torque equally between the rear wheels.
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AND, if you only had one half shaft, the other side wheel would fall in toward the center of the car. The half shafts do more than drive the wheels.
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How about simplifying things and making it a three wheeler, like a '30's Morgan?
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Just a note:
After 50 year, stamped codes don't mean much, too many internal parts can get and have gotten swapped around.
Doug
After 50 year, stamped codes don't mean much, too many internal parts can get and have gotten swapped around.
Doug
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And apparently, the Morgan is a Sliding Axle suspension, and not a sliding pillar, per the article! (All I knew was that they were 3 wheelers with that cool *** motorcycle engine up front and that Perter Sellers drove one in "The Party"!)
Thanks to JohnZ for teaching me about a suspension system I had never heard of.....and I'm into really old and arcane stuff, too!
Thanks to JohnZ for teaching me about a suspension system I had never heard of.....and I'm into really old and arcane stuff, too!
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Mark,
Limited slip IS positraction! During straight away burnouts both wheels will spin. Think about it...when your car is making a turn the wheels will be rotating at different speeds. (inside outside) The limited slip clutches allows one wheel to take over at this point.
Non-posi (non-liminated slip) you only have one drive wheel! So only one wheel will put the rubber down. The other wheel is just there for the ride.
Bob
Limited slip IS positraction! During straight away burnouts both wheels will spin. Think about it...when your car is making a turn the wheels will be rotating at different speeds. (inside outside) The limited slip clutches allows one wheel to take over at this point.
Non-posi (non-liminated slip) you only have one drive wheel! So only one wheel will put the rubber down. The other wheel is just there for the ride.
Bob
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