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Old 11-06-2015, 10:30 PM
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I have a 1965 L84 375 HP FI with transistorized ignition.
Have hard starting problems when hot and will try to replace distributor vacuum advance to see if this helps.

1. Where does one order these from?

2. What is the correct part number for my car?

I have tried part # 1116236 on e-bay and amazon.com and got nowhere.
I tried AC Delco and they list a part # D1316A but it does not appear if one can order directly from them and my searches do not turn anything up for that part number.

Very time consuming and frustrating I must say! I hoped some of the experts here might help.

I tried to search the forum but could not find anything applicable for my 327-375 HP with transistorized ignition.

Am a new member and may not be searching properly.
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The VA can will not solve your problem. The VA has nothing to do with hard starts. You have other problems
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Originally Posted by Socal Frank


Have hard starting problems when hot
Are you holding the throttle down halfway or better on a hot restart?
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Are you holding the throttle down halfway or better on a hot restart?
Yes. Right to the floor and then let off when engine tries to start.
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Originally Posted by Socal Frank
Yes. Right to the floor and then let off when engine tries to start.
In some hot restart situations with certain fuels, a Rochester FI can be a little balky on a hot restart and before you can drive away.

If you're letting off the throttle as soon as the engine TRIES TO START, you're probably backing off a little too soon on the throttle. If the engine starts, hold the throttle down until it clears out and starts running right.

What I described is a common situation. I can't tell from you description if you have another problem but it won't be the vacuum advance.
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Originally Posted by Socal Frank
Yes. Right to the floor and then let off when engine tries to start.
Maybe just semantics but I'd modify this to read "just after engine starts".
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I would really like to see if anyone has the answers to my Post. i.e. Part # for the Distributor Vacuum Advance unit and where to order it from.I am trying to eliminate possible problems one by one.
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Originally Posted by Socal Frank
I would really like to see if anyone has the answers to my Post. i.e. Part # for the Distributor Vacuum Advance unit and where to order it from.I am trying to eliminate possible problems one by one.
Frank, you may want to call Chuck Smith in Valley Center. He is close by you.
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Originally Posted by Socal Frank
I would really like to see if anyone has the answers to my Post. i.e. Part # for the Distributor Vacuum Advance unit and where to order it from.I am trying to eliminate possible problems one by one.
Assuming your engine has a 30-30 cam & your idle vacuum is about 10/11 inches HG you need a Standard Auto product p/n VC 177 stamped B28. Other P/Ns are

ACDelco 1312C
Borg W. V329
Niehoff Dr 305

The VAC has been discontinued but you might find some old stock at GM Parts Direct in NC or RockAuto online.

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Frank,

The vacuum advance unit you need is a Standard VC177 or a NAPA Echlin VC1810. This is the can that starts to pull in at 3-5 inches of vacuum and is all in at 6-8 inches of vacuum. Any auto parts store should be able to get one for you if they are still available. Any auto parts store should be able to get that AC-Delco unit also. The unit should be stamped B-28. But, as most others have said---that is NOT the cause of the hard starting, but it is always good to have a working vacuum advance for idle stability and cruising economy. By the way, TI and regular ignition take the same can.


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Originally Posted by rongold
Frank,

The vacuum advance unit you need is a Standard VC177 or a NAPA Echlin VC1810. This is the can that starts to pull in at 3-5 inches of vacuum and is all in at 6-8 inches of vacuum. Any auto parts store should be able to get one for you if they are still available. Any auto parts store should be able to get that AC-Delco unit also. The unit should be stamped B-28. But, as most others have said---that is NOT the cause of the hard starting, but it is always good to have a working vacuum advance for idle stability and cruising economy. By the way, TI and regular ignition take the same can.


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This may also help: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...er-source.html

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Originally Posted by Donald #31176
Assuming your engine has a 30-30 cam & your idle vacuum is about 10/11 inches HG you need a Standard Auto product p/n VC 177 stamped B28. Other P/Ns are

ACDelco 1312C
Borg W. V329
Niehoff Dr 305

The VAC has been discontinued but you might find some old stock at GM Parts Direct in NC or RockAuto online.
I don't know the Echlin part number but the vacuum can I purchased at NAPA is stamped with that number. If all else fails he could drop by a NAPA store and try one. They are pretty cheap.
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I don't know why you guys are waiting your time on vacuum advance cans. That will not solve his problem
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
I don't know why you guys are waiting your time on vacuum advance cans. That will not solve his problem
Postings #3, #5, and #6 probably address the dominant issue.
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Originally Posted by jim lockwood
Postings #3, #5, and #6 probably address the dominant issue.
Yes I agree with you. I don't know enough about FI units to help. I just know swapping VA won't do anything
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
I don't know why you guys are waiting your time on vacuum advance cans. That will not solve his problem
But he asked for this help again in Post #7. A few of us were just trying to answer his direct question and not necessarily solve his FI problem........which I agree is another (unrelated) issue.

Jim and Mike are taking care of the real issue.

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Originally Posted by Powershift
Thanks for the information. My Vacuum advance has "236" stamped on it. Do you know are these substitutes NCRS correct?

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Originally Posted by Socal Frank
Thanks for the information. My Vacuum advance has "236" stamped on it. Do you know are these substitutes NCRS correct?
nope. your standard motor products can will get you a point lose
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Read this http://stlouisncrs.org/news_files/Du...omySeminar.pdf

Frist understand how things work before you start throwing parts at it
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Originally Posted by Socal Frank
Thanks for the information. My Vacuum advance has "236" stamped on it. Do you know are these substitutes NCRS correct?
No, only the original "236" is judging-correct. However, GM discontinued that part 30 years ago, which leaves you with two alternatives - the functionally-identical aftermarket "B28" can, or a replica of the "236" can made by Don Baker.


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