Trim tag, VIN tag and engine stamp verification
02-09-2019, 01:03 AM
#81
Hi My Addiction,
First off, to be clear, my intent wasn’t to offend, and my expectation wasn’t that anyone should be blamed. So thank you for your reply.
I search this forum as many do as a research tool, and this thread was very useful, except it had no ending to the part that I was researching. Your engine pad and stamp looked perfect to me as I have seen several real ‘66 427 cars just like that. It was the body date spread that interested me, and when the thread closed, several members like Tuxnharley, Powershift, Paster, etc had all posed the question about the inordinate time for the body to arrive as a completed car. But no answer was provided, and I simply wanted to know if there was a valid explanation for my own purposes.
It seems there wasn’t a real final explanation in the end, as Mr Grenning confirmed the normal period of 10 days, the usual max of 2 weeks, and acknowledged this is an unusual case that is “unpresidented” , and “if the huge 6 week gap is accepted....”. (Actually it’s 7 weeks, he miscounted.)
I was looking at this as I have run into so many cars now with obviously fake trim tags. Many of them for 1966 cars are AO Smith tags, which I first thought was unusual, but there are actually a few reasons they do this as their characters are less consistent in their spacing, and a couple other reasons. Many of the AO fake tags are off by a month as the forger doesn’t seem to know about the September start. And I have seen several now with B02 as the build date as your has which is weird, as AO would have only built about 50 bodies that day. Anyway, that’s why the question.
I love your car. Your tag to me looks perfect, not at all like the ones I mentioned above. To me it also gains more credibility by being an “obtainable mainstream” color combination of Sunfire yellow and std interior (which I personally love and own one as well), rather than say a 900 black with red, etc which the fake tags usually attempt to represent. So thank you very much for replying and sharing the outcome.
First off, to be clear, my intent wasn’t to offend, and my expectation wasn’t that anyone should be blamed. So thank you for your reply.
I search this forum as many do as a research tool, and this thread was very useful, except it had no ending to the part that I was researching. Your engine pad and stamp looked perfect to me as I have seen several real ‘66 427 cars just like that. It was the body date spread that interested me, and when the thread closed, several members like Tuxnharley, Powershift, Paster, etc had all posed the question about the inordinate time for the body to arrive as a completed car. But no answer was provided, and I simply wanted to know if there was a valid explanation for my own purposes.
It seems there wasn’t a real final explanation in the end, as Mr Grenning confirmed the normal period of 10 days, the usual max of 2 weeks, and acknowledged this is an unusual case that is “unpresidented” , and “if the huge 6 week gap is accepted....”. (Actually it’s 7 weeks, he miscounted.)
I was looking at this as I have run into so many cars now with obviously fake trim tags. Many of them for 1966 cars are AO Smith tags, which I first thought was unusual, but there are actually a few reasons they do this as their characters are less consistent in their spacing, and a couple other reasons. Many of the AO fake tags are off by a month as the forger doesn’t seem to know about the September start. And I have seen several now with B02 as the build date as your has which is weird, as AO would have only built about 50 bodies that day. Anyway, that’s why the question.
I love your car. Your tag to me looks perfect, not at all like the ones I mentioned above. To me it also gains more credibility by being an “obtainable mainstream” color combination of Sunfire yellow and std interior (which I personally love and own one as well), rather than say a 900 black with red, etc which the fake tags usually attempt to represent. So thank you very much for replying and sharing the outcome.
Last edited by OldCorvetter; 02-09-2019 at 01:27 AM.
02-09-2019, 01:59 AM
#82
Racer
Thread Starter
OldCorvetter
Thanks for taking the time to reply and no offence taken.
It was my fault as I didn't take into consideration the research factor you mentioned above
You and others certainly brought up valid points and even thou the trim tag has been authenticated the question of where & why the car was pulled off the production line for 7 weeks will remain a mystery
Thanks for taking the time to reply and no offence taken.
It was my fault as I didn't take into consideration the research factor you mentioned above
You and others certainly brought up valid points and even thou the trim tag has been authenticated the question of where & why the car was pulled off the production line for 7 weeks will remain a mystery
02-09-2019, 07:33 AM
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Can we speculate by asking if your car show any sign of body damage? Maybe it fell of the train and had to go into “heavy repair”
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02-09-2019, 11:14 AM
#85
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I could have sworn there was a strike in October of 1964 at the Corvette plants. I seem to remember reading about that in Noland's Volume 2. I'll check and get back when I get home.
02-09-2019, 11:57 AM
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02-09-2019, 12:19 PM
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That depth of broaching would be extremely hard to fake. I think it looks good. As far as the comments on a closely dated block, the broach cutting tools have to be frequently changed so you have to be careful with trying to date match blocks.
I also think that the VIN and trim tags look good, including the rivets, as well as the originality of the zinc chromate primer and black overspray.
02-09-2019, 03:36 PM
#89
Burning Brakes
My addiction you have posted some very good photos with number information to correlate. Could you post an good photo of the block casting date on the right side of the block ahead pf the starter and between the frost plugs?
02-09-2019, 04:04 PM
#90
Racer
Thread Starter
Unfortunately I have the car in winter storage and will hopefully be reunited in April weather defendant. What date casting would be the expected?
02-09-2019, 06:22 PM
#91
It seems I inadvertently opened up the engine can of worms here 😱. There are no issues with this car, as it’s already been gone through.
When you do look at the casting number it will say something like J 7 5 For Oct 7 1965 when the block was cast. It is cast in upside down and is hard to read, and will have 2 small circle/screwhead like bumps on either end of the date. Stick a camera in there, take a picture, and turn it upside down to read.
When you do look at the casting number it will say something like J 7 5 For Oct 7 1965 when the block was cast. It is cast in upside down and is hard to read, and will have 2 small circle/screwhead like bumps on either end of the date. Stick a camera in there, take a picture, and turn it upside down to read.
Last edited by OldCorvetter; 02-09-2019 at 06:23 PM.
02-11-2019, 09:33 AM
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