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Old 08-11-2017, 02:51 PM   #1
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Last night at our club meeting we always have a Corvette triva question.. Last night the question was, what was the 396 BB call in the '65 Corvette. The answer was supposedly Porcupine, but I had a '66 and I know it was always referred to (beside big block) a Rat motor. My understanding is the the porcupine referred to the heads on the BB's. Which is correct.
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Turbo Jet would be more correct. a side note is listen to the song by Paul Revere and the Raiders titled "SS396" and they use that lyric in the song. its was written my GM marketing about the new 66 SS396 Chevelle and given to them to record
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Yes....they were called Porcupine heads and the engine overall the same.

Rat came from the small block being called a mouse. And some of that supposedly came from the hemi being called an elephant and how a little mouse can scare an elephant etc.

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I respectfully submit "The Mark IV".

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most refer to them as boat anchors
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I heard "porcupine head" long before i HEARD "rat".
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I heard "porcupine head" long before i HEARD "rat".
Like I said GM marketing came up with porcupine sometime in 65
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most refer to them as boat anchors
Put down the crack pipe.
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most refer to them as boat anchors
Now where did that come from??? Iíve heard that about Ford blocks but never rat motors.
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Now where did that come from??? Iíve heard that about Ford blocks but never rat motors.
I heard that from many old time Chevy people who own all small block cars
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I heard that from many old time Chevy people who own all small block cars
Envy can be a terrible thing.
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Envy can be a terrible thing.
Well some of those SB cars will leave those BB in the dust. And I'm sure if you talked to the owners of BB cars doing the gas crunch there was more names
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Well some of those SB cars will leave those BB in the dust. And I'm sure if you talked to the owners of BB cars doing the gas crunch there was more names
Grumpy's Vega thumped a few.



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I heard that from many old time Chevy people who own all small block cars
Dump truck and school bus engines they were called.

The first several years they made them, it was easy to dismiss them. A whole lot of them dropped valves, bent pushrods, punched holes in the cylinders and had hydraulic lifter problems.

Aside from that, they lost their advantage on the street due to restricted exhaust, skinny tires and greenhorn drivers. It wasn't hard to beat them in a drag race with a light car and a SBC engine.
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Dump truck and school bus engines they were called.

The first several years they made them, it was easy to dismiss them. A whole lot of them dropped valves, bent pushrods, punched holes in the cylinders and had hydraulic lifter problems.

Aside from that, they lost their advantage on the street due to restricted exhaust, skinny tires and greenhorn drivers. It wasn't hard to beat them in a drag race with a light car and a SBC engine.
You sound like everyone I ever talked to who lived though the hey day
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Well some of those SB cars will leave those BB in the dust. And I'm sure if you talked to the owners of BB cars doing the gas crunch there was more names
By the time I got my hands on one in the early seventies I found the BB to be a wonderful thing. Sure if you really knew your s*** you could build a SB car to beat a SS396. But for a 17 YO kid with no money or tools, a big block was an awe inspiring thing, the torque was almost earth shaking.
After 50 years of history, I will say if you are going to build an engine for a C2 sure, go for a SB it will be nimble and quick. But back in my day, the tires got wider (up to N-60-15 and maybe bigger), and you didnít need to push 6000+ RPM to beat an LT-1 with a well massaged BB (I hope I didnít open up a Pandoraís box with that).
I like BB you like SB, to each their own.

Oh, and stock BBs got 15MPG back in the day.
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Dump truck and school bus engines they were called.

The first several years they made them, it was easy to dismiss them. A whole lot of them dropped valves, bent pushrods, punched holes in the cylinders and had hydraulic lifter problems.

Aside from that, they lost their advantage on the street due to restricted exhaust, skinny tires and greenhorn drivers. It wasn't hard to beat them in a drag race with a light car and a SBC engine.
This was my 'Day Two' experience in the mid/late '70's. Although by then, all rat motored cars were considered badass compared to what was currently being offered by Detroit at that time. I never ran into a 396 I couldn't outrun easily in one of my old GTO's with a 389 or 400 in it. Same with the 454. Perhaps I got lucky. Perhaps those guys couldn't drive. Almost got skinned by a little 302 Z28, though. Very, very quick car. And the 383 in my '61 pulls harder than any 396 I've ever driven. It pulls like the warmed over 440 in my old '66 Coronet.
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By the time I got my hands on one in the early seventies I found the BB to be a wonderful thing. Sure if you really knew your s*** you could build a SB car to beat a SS396. But for a 17 YO kid with no money or tools, a big block was an awe inspiring thing, the torque was almost earth shaking.
After 50 years of history, I will say if you are going to build an engine for a C2 sure, go for a SB it will be nimble and quick. But back in my day, the tires got wider (up to N-60-15 and maybe bigger), and you didnít need to push 6000+ RPM to beat an LT-1 with a well massaged BB (I hope I didnít open up a Pandoraís box with that).
I like BB you like SB, to each their own.

Oh, and stock BBs got 15MPG back in the day.
I driven both. A 396 in my Chevelle a 67 427 Vette and SB. Both have there good points and fun factor. I like both. But if wanted one I could drive every day a L79 wins hands down. But mashing the go fast pedal in a BB is something else
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Dump truck and school bus engines they were called.

The first several years they made them, it was easy to dismiss them. A whole lot of them dropped valves, bent pushrods, punched holes in the cylinders and had hydraulic lifter problems.

Aside from that, they lost their advantage on the street due to restricted exhaust, skinny tires and greenhorn drivers. It wasn't hard to beat them in a drag race with a light car and a SBC engine.
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I driven both. A 396 in my Chevelle a 67 427 Vette and SB. Both have there good points and fun factor. I like both. But if wanted one I could drive every day a L79 wins hands down. But mashing the go fast pedal in a BB is something else
One of the fastest cars I've ever driven was a '67 427 'Vette. Waaay faster than my often-bragged-about GTO's. That car was a BEAST. (Stock 400HP tripower/4 speed with 26k miles)
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I driven both. A 396 in my Chevelle a 67 427 Vette and SB. Both have there good points and fun factor. I like both. But if wanted one I could drive every day a L79 wins hands down. But mashing the go fast pedal in a BB is something else
I drove BBís in my early days and enjoyed it a lot. But I will say I had a ride in a 302 Z28 in high school that blew me away. Driver said Ďgrab the 8 track tape, sometime it flies out when I hit 2ndí I leaned forward and grabbed it and braced for the shiftÖ I was still slammed back in the seat!
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