[C1] Brakes locked up avoiding a collision
#81
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Interesting thread- responding to Dan, I use my car on the interstate as here in the Southeast, outside of Atlanta proper, I feel I'm much more likely to be involved in a wreck at an intersection (light or no light) than I am On the interstate. Fatalities may be a little higher on the interstate but occurrences I bet are less common. Just a different take on it.
I prefer the back roads, but I don't mind the interstate.
That and I've already been smacked once by a big rig- here's hoping lightning doesn't strike twice.
I prefer the back roads, but I don't mind the interstate.
That and I've already been smacked once by a big rig- here's hoping lightning doesn't strike twice.
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#82
Team Owner
None of the above will fix anything given that automotive performance has increased exponentially over the past decades. Tesla with "ludicrous" mode, Chrysler Hellcats, these are cars with performance that well exceed the capabilities of its average driver.
I'm on an interstate every day to and from work. The **** I see people pull never ceases to amaze me. I pray for my wife & kids who use the same highway. And my Corvette is NEVER used on an interstate, only on back roads and at times in which I feel the threat of post-pubescent texting operators is lessened. (Sat & Sun mornings before 11 AM). Unless you live in the bucolic countryside, this is suburban realty.
Dan
I'm on an interstate every day to and from work. The **** I see people pull never ceases to amaze me. I pray for my wife & kids who use the same highway. And my Corvette is NEVER used on an interstate, only on back roads and at times in which I feel the threat of post-pubescent texting operators is lessened. (Sat & Sun mornings before 11 AM). Unless you live in the bucolic countryside, this is suburban realty.
Dan
In rush-hour traffic, fully 3 out of 4 drivers are texting some days while underway.
#83
Race Director
#85
Race Director
Driving down I-10 in City of Industry, in a pack of 30-40 cars all doing 100 MPH, about 10 AM, so close that you can barely see asphalt under the rear bumper of the car in front of you (reminds me of NASCAR), makes having the left foot hovering just over the brake pedal, somewhat of a necessity.
Even in std shift car, being able to stab the brake RFN vs lifting your foot from the gas, makes the diff between rear ending the car in front of you, or not if something up ahead causes a sudden braking.
And, as noted, if you back off a little tiny bit, someone will squeeze immediately in front of you, with less than 10 feet between you and them. And if you back off some more, someone else squeezes in there.
More than 20 feet between you is an open invitation for someone to make that space theirs. At 70 MPH or more.
Excpet for teh occasional idiot who doesn't know how to drive or what is going on around him, i will say SoCal drivers were some of the best/most attentive drivers I ever ran across. That was before texting, of course.
I wouldn't even think of wanting drum brakes on those freeways.
Doug
#86
Le Mans Master
I work in LA several times per year. The dumbest thing in that town is how they treat a turn signal. If you use your turn signal in LA the surrounding drivers floor their car to cut off your lane change. They all do it. Locals tell me if you see a gap you gas it and dive in and don't hit your turn signal till it is too late for others to cut you off. I ask why bother at that point.
They answer, " so you don't get an illegal lane change ticket"!!!
I hate the place but there is a lot of business down there.
They answer, " so you don't get an illegal lane change ticket"!!!
I hate the place but there is a lot of business down there.
#87
Race Director
Yeah, they can get quite territorial and not want to let anybody in front of them.
Doug
Doug
#88
Burning Brakes
Well this subject sure got a lot of responses. So here's mine. Disc brakes are a great improvement. No adjustments as they wear, less worry in wet conditions, etc. But they still have their issues. Put some heat in them and then pull over and sit for awhile and you have a warped disc that pulses with application, brake dust from some pads, and some that squeal.
As far as the braking system goes they will both heat up and you will lose your pedal from steady braking down a long hill or heavy braking on a race track with not enough straights to let them cool.
After owning numerous sports cars with front disc brakes I loved my first 65. Cool, 4 wheel disc brakes and I put on spoked wheels so everyone could see them, ha.
As far as the braking system goes they will both heat up and you will lose your pedal from steady braking down a long hill or heavy braking on a race track with not enough straights to let them cool.
After owning numerous sports cars with front disc brakes I loved my first 65. Cool, 4 wheel disc brakes and I put on spoked wheels so everyone could see them, ha.
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Did your own version of the Dan Short Fantomworks brake check, eh? :-)
Glad to hear it all was OK. For the 1-time emergency stop, drums are just as good as discs.
However, today, by chance, I was on a ~50 mile cruise with some altitude changes.. and for the first time (for me), the drums started to fade. I made a few consecutive downhill stops, and on the 3rd one, it got a little harry... the car carried past the white line at an intersection by about 3-4 feet.. it was NOT STOPPING very well..
Maybe you guys in Florida, where the highest point in the state is 300 feet above sea level, don't get to experience this?
I guess I'll take the advise here and junk the car immediately.
Glad to hear it all was OK. For the 1-time emergency stop, drums are just as good as discs.
However, today, by chance, I was on a ~50 mile cruise with some altitude changes.. and for the first time (for me), the drums started to fade. I made a few consecutive downhill stops, and on the 3rd one, it got a little harry... the car carried past the white line at an intersection by about 3-4 feet.. it was NOT STOPPING very well..
Maybe you guys in Florida, where the highest point in the state is 300 feet above sea level, don't get to experience this?
I guess I'll take the advise here and junk the car immediately.
But they required an acquired skill. The hotter they were the better they actually worked, but when really hot from hot lapping a track, they felt like power brakes, so you had to learn good pedal modulation skills. Who needed disk brakes? In fact, who needed ABS? The controller was my brain and my foot the actuator.
The HD brake system was so full of gremlins that the Washburn Team (Bondurant driving) essentially ended the'63 season with the J-65 system because it worked better than the HD system. Go figure!
Duke
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#92
Burning Brakes
SWCDuke
I belonged to the Corvette Club in Seattle back in the mid 70's (lived in Port Angeles) and went to Kent and Portland with them several times. May have run into you.
Kent Olsen
I belonged to the Corvette Club in Seattle back in the mid 70's (lived in Port Angeles) and went to Kent and Portland with them several times. May have run into you.
Kent Olsen
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Today's Kent (Pacific Raceways) is nothing like it was back in the sixties... no barriers and "chicanes" on the main straight, which was effectively about 3/4s of a mile long.
From the exit of Turn 9 at about 50 MPH in second gear the road course blended onto the dragstrip, and I could accelerate at WOT though that bend... shifted to third once I was on the drag strip and fourth at the drag strip finish line at close to 130 (3.08 axle).
Beyond that the road assumed a 0.5 percent upgrade, so speed built slowly to Turn 1 about another quarter mile down. Beyond Turn 1 the road drops off, and the first time I went out I had a tough time seeing the apex and always lifted because there was no turn-in reference point. The second time I brought a traffic cone and broom to mark the apex and was able to do Turn 1 flat.
Back in the eighties and nineties when I was running events at Riverside and Willow I told the guys that if they ever went to Kent they better install at least a ten percent taller gear or they'd run out of revs before Turn 1.
Yeah, those were the days!
Every track has a "pucker turn"... fast and unforgiving. You have to do it "just right" for a decent lap time, but there is virtually no margin for error. Even a small mistake, like turning-in a little too early, can send you into the weeds... or worse. At Kent back in the sixties it was Turn 1. Riverside was Turn 2, and Willow Springs is Turn 9.
Duke
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#94
Burning Brakes
I remember Kent raceways in my days as well when the last turn went right onto the drag strip. I could drift my old 65 right up to the grass just before you went down hill. Since you now need a roll bar I won't get to take my new 65 on the road track, maybe some autoxing.
#95
Drifting
Another Friday another dangerous jerk driving NJ roads.
Took the coupe for a ride, in 40mph zone, double yellow line, blind curve, same bad insection. the idiot passes me on the left.
Took the coupe for a ride, in 40mph zone, double yellow line, blind curve, same bad insection. the idiot passes me on the left.