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Old 11-12-2017, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeM

Truer words were never spoken. Why does there always have to be a deduct for some feature that is not like the book explains?

Some of you guys will be counting your money when you die. If you don't spend it all on foolishness first.

I thought this was a hobby, not a used car/banking business.

Well said.
Old 11-12-2017, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by LT-1 kid
If I was the owner I would not deduct anything, if you don't like don't buy
Originally Posted by MikeM
Some of you guys will be counting your money when you die. If you don't spend it all on foolishness first.

I thought this was a hobby, not a used car/banking business.

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Originally Posted by Todd H.
Detectable or not, trim plates should be left alone.
Originally Posted by 65hihp
Absolutely. Change colors to anything you want but keep your rat claws off the Trim and VIN plates.
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:48 AM
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More contrived confusion about originality vs value...

NCRS correctness doesn't necessarily contribute to maximum value (e.g. the case of restomods), but, you can't avoid "valuing" your car....for "agreed upon" insurance purposes if nothing else.

You can paint your car paisley if you want, if it doesn't match the BORN WITH trim tag I ain't interested... And I wouldn't count on a repro tag being undetectable...

And the beat goes on...

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Old 11-12-2017, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 68hemi
That would certainly be the inexpensive way to "fix" it and when you think about since it is now painted an original color offered for 1966 it would really be no different than what Chevrolet would have done when it was new but that does not make it the right thing to do. And BTW there are people out there that CAN make an undetectable repo tag. This is why I continue to harp on the fact that we often don't really know what we are looking at or buying anymore these days.
I didn't say it was the right thing to do, however it is no more devious than restamping an engine or phony date coding an assembly or windows for that matter, deception is deception whether it be a metal tag or a window.

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how does the NCRS handle non standard color factory applied paint jobs like a corvette I ordered ???

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Originally Posted by PAmotorman
how does the NCRS handle non standard color factory applied paint jobs like a corvette I ordered ???
if the trim tag does not have a color code then NCRS wants to see it in primmer
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PAmotorman
how does the NCRS handle non standard color factory applied paint jobs like a corvette I ordered ???
I am wondering how they handle these repaints that are done in modern formulas that don't match the original shades or glitter?

I see lot's of Riverside Red that isn't quite right and you're out of luck on '63 Sebring Silver.
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
if the trim tag does not have a color code then NCRS wants to see it in primmer
THAT is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. That would be the polar opposite of the original intent "to restore cars to the way they left the factory." If it was ordered in a non standard color and it is not coded on the tag then they should accept it in an color. NOBODY is going to stripe their car an prime it to satisfy people that have their heads up their asses that made that decision. The only way that should apply is if it was coded for primer.
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Originally Posted by 68hemi
THAT is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. That would be the polar opposite of the original intent "to restore cars to the way they left the factory." If it was ordered in a non standard color and it is not coded on the tag then they should accept it in an color. NOBODY is going to stripe their car an prime it to satisfy people that have their heads up their asses that made that decision. The only way that should apply is if it was coded for primer.
I said it before if you don't like there rules don't play in THERE sand box. NCRS is how the car was built at ST.Louis and delivered to the dealer.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
I am wondering how they handle these repaints that are done in modern formulas that don't match the original shades or glitter?

I see lot's of Riverside Red that isn't quite right and you're out of luck on '63 Sebring Silver.
if the exterior judge is not friends with the owner/ painter then deducts are in order. however there are "clicks" who get away with things
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Originally Posted by MikeM
I am wondering how they handle these repaints that are done in modern formulas that don't match the original shades or glitter?

I see lot's of Riverside Red that isn't quite right and you're out of luck on '63 Sebring Silver.
I can mail you the Standard Deduction Guidelines if you want to see them. It is all spelled out there. Shade is 20% (17 pts) and Glitter is 50% (42 pts).
You really should get back into the club. We miss you.
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I was never fortunate enough to own one of these cars back in the day when they were just used cars. That must have been nice.

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Originally Posted by 65hihp
I can mail you the Standard Deduction Guidelines if you want to see them. It is all spelled out there. Shade is 20% (17 pts) and Glitter is 50% (42 pts).
You really should get back into the club. We miss you.
Nah, I didn't want to see the guide lines. I wanted to know how it was handled. May have been explained above.

Never was a member. I started to join when the first edition '63 manual came out. My feeling was, if the "club" didn't know any better than that about '63, they didn't need me. I reckon things haven't changed much since then.
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The club has changed significantly. But not insofar as 63s are concerned.
Come on, jump in, you might enjoy it. We would love to have you.
Course they would probably disown you in VHs.
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Originally Posted by 65hihp
The club has changed significantly. But not insofar as 63s are concerned.
Come on, jump in, you might enjoy it. We would love to have you.
Course they would probably disown you in VHs.
But my car might not get any more than a yellow or red ribbon! I'd be so humiliated! Besides, the first guy I caught crawling up under my dash and looking at the tags or using his periscope to check my blank engine pad would get a foot and there might be a fight.

I like the cars, don't care much for the show.

You'd be surprised how many VH's are ncrs members and maybe more surprised how many frequent here.

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Old 11-12-2017, 01:00 PM
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No I wouldn't be surprised. I am friends with several of them.
On second thought it is probably best if you avoid the club.
It is not for everyone, and I think you may be the poster boy for that.
You'd have a great time in the bars in the evening with the gang though.
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
I said it before if you don't like there rules don't play in THERE sand box. NCRS is how the car was built at ST.Louis and delivered to the dealer.
I am a member currently and was a very early member around 1976/77 but I never have played in their sandbox. I would likely never have a car judged. As many have eluded to there are clicks, favoritism and I would like to see a true accounting of where all the money goes that they collect for everything. There are good people at it's core but you can't police everything that goes on in a non-profit organization. The vast majority of non-profit fundraising organizations only forward about 12% of the take to the intended cause. Not saying that is the case with NCRS but I can speculate that there are shades of it. I think the founders of the organization would turn in their graves if they saw how it has morphed to what it is today and some of the STUPID decision that have been made like the one of this subject. Where is the common sense in that decision? These are the reasons I won't play in their sandbox.
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A while back they published how the money is distributed There are a few bad apples and clicks. But that doesn’t stop me from enjoying there core values. What they have done good or bad in the last 40 years has changed all car clubs and considered by most the standard how a car club should be. But it’s not for everyone and I understand that.


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