[C2] Maybe it’s just me
01-10-2018, 12:46 PM
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Just for the record, I'm pretty sure it was Richard Buxbaum in Downers Grove, IL who first used the term "Matching Numbers" in his ad's in Hemmings and Vette Vues magazine in 1975. (before it was called Classic Motors) At that time, most of his cars really did have their original engines. If not, he stated so in the ad. That was a time when most didn't know or care about original engines. NCRS was just starting to recognize the importance of original engines not long after. Fake restamps became very popular by the end of the 70's but the quality was quite poor. By the end of the 70's and through the 80's, the practice of restamping became nationwide and everyone was doing it. It wasn't until the 90's that the quality of restamps improved. There were some really horrible restamps for decades. I know because I was the "Stamp Pad Inspector" at the Bloomingto Gold event. 
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01-10-2018, 12:54 PM
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I don't see a hell of a lot of difference between an engine restamp and the "reproduction" junk that is passed off as original, both look like deception to me.
Personally I don't really care about numbers, I can't drive a number, I prefer honesty and integrity over numbers any day of the week.
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Personally I don't really care about numbers, I can't drive a number, I prefer honesty and integrity over numbers any day of the week.
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01-10-2018, 06:55 PM
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I am in the process of having my motor rebuilt to correct L-76 specs, and while doing it I am taking pictures of stamp pads, trim tag, cast number and date, and every piece that people say is supposed to be a certian number & putting together a PowerPoint of every part, whether it is correct or not and documenting exactly what is on my car & also including a pic documenting what the books say it is supposed to have. I feel like I'm doing this just so I know, but also because, if ever I was to sell the car it would make it that much easier for whoever would buy it to know exactly what i have found out over the years, as this is quite a process to go thru. I guess that would be the difference between buying a car from an honest person, or just some stranger on the internet.
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01-10-2018, 07:08 PM
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[QUOTE=Rob_64-365;1596352308]I am in the process of having my motor rebuilt to correct L-76 specs, and while doing it I am taking pictures of stamp pads, trim tag, cast number and date, and every piece that people say is supposed to be a certian number & putting together a PowerPoint of every part, whether it is correct or not and documenting exactly what is on my car & also including a pic documenting what the books say it is supposed to have. I feel like I'm doing this just so I know, but also because, if ever I was to sell the car it would make it that much easier for whoever would buy it to know exactly what i have found out over the years, as this is quite a process to go thru. I guess that would be the difference between buying a car from an honest person, or just some stranger on the internet.[/Q
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01-10-2018, 07:22 PM
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I don't see a hell of a lot of difference between an engine restamp and the "reproduction" junk that is passed off as original, both look like deception to me.
Personally I don't really care about numbers, I can't drive a number, I prefer honesty and integrity over numbers any day of the week.
Bill
Personally I don't really care about numbers, I can't drive a number, I prefer honesty and integrity over numbers any day of the week.
Bill
I agree. I’ve replaced the carb, MC, and radiator on my car. I could have gotten all of these date coded but it just didn’t seem right. Personally, I don’t see a lot of difference between a restamped engine and a date coded new part. Neither are original to the car. Steve
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01-10-2018, 07:52 PM
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I agree. I’ve replaced the carb, MC, and radiator on my car. I could have gotten all of these date coded but it just didn’t seem right. Personally, I don’t see a lot of difference between a restamped engine and a date coded new part. Neither are original to the car. Steve
....and then there is date coded replacement glass and convertible tops as well. Why are those deemed acceptable and a restamped engine is fraudulent?
01-10-2018, 10:22 PM
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It’s all about the Money. If someone will buy it someone will make it.
01-11-2018, 07:48 PM
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01-11-2018, 08:37 PM
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At the risk of starting a "judging war", a restamped engine is not necessarily "fraudulent". In NCRS judging, it gets a predictable deduction for the pad stampings and surface not being typical of factory production (no more than 88 points), and at Bloomington Gold, you can now declare the engine as "may not be original" and still get the Gold Certificate (with the printed engine disclaimer). When an owner "creates" an engine block (correct casting number, casting date, pad surface and stampings) and sells the car claiming it's the original engine without disclosing the non-factory origin of the engine to the buyer, THAT'S FRAUDULENT.
01-11-2018, 09:01 PM
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Apparently I could have used a better word than “fraudulent” in describing a restamped engine. My apologies.
However, that debate misses the main point of my question - why are date stamped reproduction window glass and convertible tops deemed to be acceptable, and a restamped engine block is not?
Said another way, is there a point deduction for the replacement glass and top when it has the correct date code? If not, why is that different than a restamped engine block?
However, that debate misses the main point of my question - why are date stamped reproduction window glass and convertible tops deemed to be acceptable, and a restamped engine block is not?
Said another way, is there a point deduction for the replacement glass and top when it has the correct date code? If not, why is that different than a restamped engine block?
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01-11-2018, 09:07 PM
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Apparently I could have used a better word than “fraudulent” in describing a restamped engine. My apologies.
However, that debate misses the main point of my question - why are date stamped reproduction window glass and convertible tops deemed to be acceptable, and a restamped engine block is not?
However, that debate misses the main point of my question - why are date stamped reproduction window glass and convertible tops deemed to be acceptable, and a restamped engine block is not?
01-11-2018, 09:59 PM
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Seriously though, why take a drive without a cellphone pic?
“We don’t have one”? Really? The only numbers matching people who can’t send a cell picture are IQ and the interstate speed limit.
01-11-2018, 10:27 PM
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Apparently I could have used a better word than “fraudulent” in describing a restamped engine. My apologies.
However, that debate misses the main point of my question - why are date stamped reproduction window glass and convertible tops deemed to be acceptable, and a restamped engine block is not?
Said another way, is there a point deduction for the replace
ment glass and top when it has the correct date code? If not, why is that different than a restamped engine block?
However, that debate misses the main point of my question - why are date stamped reproduction window glass and convertible tops deemed to be acceptable, and a restamped engine block is not?
Said another way, is there a point deduction for the replace
ment glass and top when it has the correct date code? If not, why is that different than a restamped engine block?
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05-03-2022, 10:11 AM
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Years ago I bought a '65 coupe 327/365, red on red from a gentleman mechanic who had done a nice rebuild on the whole car, including a numbers matching block. He told me it was not the original engine, we settled on a price and I drove it for several years and sold it as an NOM to another individual. I was surprised when it showed up at an auction in Dallas a year later listed as "original engine". The Corvette hobby has some great individuals in it, but it also has some sly crooks. I prefer to buy a car and make it like I want it, drive it, and enjoy it, not worrying about blowing the motor or trans.
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