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Old 02-08-2018, 11:37 PM
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Default 4th edition 67 judging guide LOL!!

Just got it tonight from an anwesome member here, and it says small block cars got the big block hood in late feb or early March.

Just thought it was funny as this has been argued on here many times.

Donít care and this isnít an argue post, just thought it was funny.

Carry on..
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Old 02-08-2018, 11:51 PM
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I really don't know what's true and what's not.

One thing I do know though, is no matter how outrageous the lie, if it's told over and over again....it suddenly and somehow becomes truth. At least for some that is!
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Oh I could care less, just found it funny. As something as prestigious as an NCRS car, this manual says (at least when it was the current edition) you can have a big block hood on a small block car and it’s ok. Like I said, I’m not arguing or validating, I just thought it was funny as it’s been covered here many times. Haha
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Originally Posted by 69z28&ss396 View Post
Oh I could care less, just found it funny. As something as prestigious as an NCRS car, this manual says (at least when it was the current edition) you can have a big block hood on a small block car and itís ok. Like I said, Iím not arguing or validating, I just thought it was funny as itís been covered here many times. Haha
I'm with you! I couldn't care much more less too.

It sure is funny though that NCRS will recognize this now.
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I'm with you! I couldn't care much more less too.

It sure is funny though that NCRS will recognize this now.
Seeing how NCRS is on their 7th Edition for the 1967, I wonder if they will really recognize this now.

What does the current JG say?
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I’m always puzzled at how many upgrades these cars keep making, even though more than 50 years later. Begs the question, which correct manual is correct.
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If I recall correctly, the 4th edition 1967 manual didn't even have pictures! That's a fairly old document.
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Originally Posted by pop23235 View Post
Iím always puzzled at how many upgrades these cars keep making, even though more than 50 years later. Begs the question, which correct manual is correct.
Who the hell knows, it seems like NCRS standards is a moving target, I guess it is called posterity keep changing the standards and the flock will have to be coming back. Today's top-flight is next weeks has-been.

I just find it hard to believe that after 50+ years and seven editions of the judging guide someone doesn't know how these damn things were built, amazing.

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It just shows you how fair NCRS has came. That’s why is was easier to get top flights 10-15 years ago vs today. The manuals are about twice as thick Also goes to show you that every one makes mistakes. Or the manual was written to help some one high up keep there car correct per say
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It just shows you how fair NCRS has came. Thatís why is was easier to get top flights 10-15 years ago vs today. The manuals are about twice as thick Also goes to show you that every one makes mistakes. Or the manual was written to help some one high up keep there car correct per say

And BS makes the grass grow green...
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And BS makes the grass grow green...
What BS??
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Originally Posted by SupremeDeluxe View Post
If I recall correctly, the 4th edition 1967 manual didn't even have pictures! That's a fairly old document.
The 4th edition of the í67 Guide was published in 2005 and yes it had quite a few errors/mistakes. It did have pictures but nothing like the later editions.

Originally Posted by Vettebuyer6369 View Post
Seeing how NCRS is on their 7th Edition for the 1967, I wonder if they will really recognize this now.

What does the current JG say?
The BB hood issue was corrected in the 5th edition, published in 2013.

Iím not trying to defend the NCRS Guides but they are constantly revising and attempting to provide correct information. IMO they are one of the best resources available. But, Iíve also wondered if the revisions are meant to create a revenue stream Ė making older versions obsolete. The 7th edition of the í67 Guide is currently selling for $79.95, but itís 350 pages and loaded with color pictures.
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Was it Noland that said something to the effect that 75% of the cars that rolled off the factory production line back in the 60s couldn't get a Top Flight if they were judged by today's standards...?
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Originally Posted by Mike67nv View Post
The 4th edition of the ’67 Guide was published in 2005 and yes it had quite a few errors/mistakes. It did have pictures but nothing like the later editions.
I just dug mine out and checked...my comment was correct. The 4th Edition had no pictures, just text and tables.

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Originally Posted by SupremeDeluxe View Post
I just dug mine out and checked...my comment was correct. The 4th Edition had no pictures, just text and tables.
You're right, it didn't have any pics. Without looking and from memory (which is fading fast), I thought I remembered it having a few. The 5th addition was the first '67 Guide with pic examples.
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Seems like a silly change. How could anybody ever prove that their SB car came with a BB hood? It would have to be the original owner with pictures with zero miles on the day it was delivered. Never mind, that wouldn't prove that the dealer didn't switch it. Where am I going wrong?

Too bad hoods don't have VIN derivatives.
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Was it possible back in the day to order a small block car with a big block hood from the factory through a COPO or similar avenue?

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Originally Posted by Jeffthunbird View Post
Seems like a silly change. How could anybody ever prove that their SB car came with a BB hood? It would have to be the original owner with pictures with zero miles on the day it was delivered. Never mind, that wouldn't prove that the dealer didn't switch it. Where am I going wrong?

Too bad hoods don't have VIN derivatives.
If the hood support and under skirt reinforcement was originally installed on the left side, it could possibly mean the big block hood was factory installed on a small block car.
Unfortunately, no one has ever been able to show or prove this. Filling the unused hood support reinforcement holes on the right side can't be done to appear as original fiberglass.

I agree. In my opinion, it never happened.
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Was it possible back in the day to order a small block car with a big block hood from the factory through a COPO or similar avenue?

Steve

no. if it was there would be a engineering drawing and records. you can hope and wish all you want, but it never happened
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no. if it was there would be a engineering drawing and records. you can hope and wish all you want, but it never happened
I agree. It just seems that if a guy had enough influence, he could order a big block hood on his small block car from the factory. But I suppose that would be documented somewhere and They would have turned up by now.

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