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Old 02-23-2018, 12:03 AM
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How does a seller get away not declaring that this is a salvage flood car that was sold at a salvage auction.

1966 VIN 194376S114927


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Originally Posted by westcoastcorvettes View Post
How does a seller get away not declaring that this is a salvage flood car that was sold at a salvage auction.

1966 VIN 194376S114927


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Chevro...9ajzJ0&vxp=mtr


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Good find.
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I just asked the seller if the car has a flood or salvage title - should be interesting...
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Get the vehicle protection plan since it covers receiving undisclosed salvage title, etc. Yeah, right.
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Originally Posted by westcoastcorvettes View Post
How does a seller get away not declaring that this is a salvage flood car that was sold at a salvage auction.

1966 VIN 194376S114927


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Chevro...9ajzJ0&vxp=mtr


https://www.copart.com/lot/50159587/Photos
easy - if the title is "washed" - meaning it was retitled in another state where the titling laws are different - the seller may "say" he/she has a clean clear title - Now you and I know it was a prior flood car - but the title may or may not reflect that - again buyer beware and do your homework.
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once an ins flood title -always a flood title
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once an ins flood title -always a flood title
Sorry - no - that is not always true - A branded / salvage title can be washed - Again this is how cars from Texas, Katrina, Sandy, and other end up on in private owner hands across the country with clean titles - (This is the industry I work in )
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Ironically, this car is now located in Hurricane, Utah!

Now THAT’s a clue!
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Ironically, this car is now located in Hurricane, Utah!

Now THATís a clue!
YEP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by vetintheblood View Post
Ironically, this car is now located in Hurricane, Utah!

Now THATís a clue!
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I guess "sat for 20+ years" is a way to explain its bad condition....

Buy it for $10K, sell it for $45K.

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I might give $4500 for a flood damaged car!!!!
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Gads! This stuff has been going on for 60 years....even before the powers that be tried to put some regulations in place to identify them. Went with my Dad to many wholesale auctions in the 60s to pick up used cars to sell. You had to constantly be on the look out for 'flood cars'.... I guess that sort of ripoff never gets old with the criminal types...
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Ok, it's really a case of careful inspection being necessary. jerry1315 is also selling 67 convertible 13163 194677S113163 with no motor or transmission right here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Chevro...NajfAf&vxp=mtr

While COUPE 13163 194377s113163 is also for sale here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Chevro...xajMOC&vxp=mtr

and he's also selling coupe 5247 194377s105247 with no motor or transmission here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Chevro...dajgy6&vxp=mtr

While CONVERTIBLE 5247 194677s105247 is also for sale here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Chevro...RajhqR&vxp=mtr

The trim tag from his 13163 contains the same data as convertible 5247.
All cars are listed in NMVTIS.
So he's selling a convertible AND a coupe, BOTH with the VIN 105247, and a convertible AND a coupe BOTH with the VIN ending in 113163? VERRRRYYY IN-TER-ES-TING!

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Originally Posted by csherman View Post
Sorry - no - that is not always true - A branded / salvage title can be washed - Again this is how cars from Texas, Katrina, Sandy, and other end up on in private owner hands across the country with clean titles - (This is the industry I work in )
Not any more.

This VIN is now permanently identified in the National Motor Vehicle Title Information System as a flood vehicle.

NMVTIS is a nationwide database owned by the Department of Justice, and administered by contracted companies.

In states where titles are not issued that information may not appear, but it will appear in any state that issues a title.

All states are required by law to run all VINs through NMVTIS, and to identify any brands associated with that VIN.

In addition, I believe that a CarFax report on this VIN would also disclose this flood information.

The days of easily washing titles to remove brands are over.

Now, if the owner of the car did NOT get an insurance settlement, and sold the car outright, there might be a possibility to wash the information.

But this car was branded as a flood car.

Any potential purchaser of a car should, as a matter of course, run the VIN through a CarFax, and through the NMVTIS.

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I go to large auto auctions on the west coast all the time to buy auto's for dealerships. ALWAYS after floods, these cars find their way to these venues. They (vehicles) are never red or yellow lighted always green, meaning no accidents, clear titles, ect. One has to be very careful.....it is not always evident, the nose comes in handy as one can many times smell it. Same goes with buying Canadian vehicles...thank goodness on trucks one can look at idle hours to see if a truck has been sitting in the oil fields running 24/7 to keep workers warm. Have seen many late model trucks selling that have hours on them that match up with a 7-10 year older truck. Also, with the Northern trucks, many times they have a (por 15) type spray in the wheel wells as well as the frame to cover up rust and other messes....buyer beware.
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I wonder if one on the cars has the original frame, from the other. I would like to see a pic of the VIN tag on the convertible.

Doug

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So he's selling a convertible AND a coupe, BOTH with the VIN 105247, and a convertible AND a coupe BOTH with the VIN ending in 113163? VERRRRYYY IN-TER-ES-TING!



No, he's selling convertible 13163, someone else is selling coupe 13163
He's selling coupe 5247 and someone else is selling convertible 5247.

I'll make that more clear in the previous post.
I might add that the other sellers cars are triple crown winners and his are project cars.
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Originally Posted by Robert Gallagher View Post

No, he's selling convertible 13163, someone else is selling coupe 13163
He's selling coupe 5247 and someone else is selling convertible 5247.
OK, sorry 'bout that But regardless, somebody is sure out of line somewhere! "Lucy, you some 'splainin' to do!"
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Not any more.

This VIN is now permanently identified in the National Motor Vehicle Title Information System as a flood vehicle.

NMVTIS is a nationwide database owned by the Department of Justice, and administered by contracted companies.

In states where titles are not issued that information may not appear, but it will appear in any state that issues a title.

All states are required by law to run all VINs through NMVTIS, and to identify any brands associated with that VIN.

In addition, I believe that a CarFax report on this VIN would also disclose this flood information.

The days of easily washing titles to remove brands are over.

Now, if the owner of the car did NOT get an insurance settlement, and sold the car outright, there might be a possibility to wash the information.

But this car was branded as a flood car.

Any potential purchaser of a car should, as a matter of course, run the VIN through a CarFax, and through the NMVTIS.
I would not be so quick to state this. "Where there is a will there is a way."
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And the jerk is asking 45K. Like it is a credible price for a dusty no-carb 'numbers matching' 66 vette.

I wonder if Frankie will get an answer to his flood title question.
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