[C2] Factory-installed 427 hood on '67 Corvettes with 327
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And then there’s the other version of the myth that says the factory ran out of small block hoods and had to substitute bb hoods. Can’t remember all the sketchy details on that one.
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I think that's the one that started all of this way back when. Seems like it went along the lines - something was dropped in the SB hood mold and damaged it and they ran out of small block hoods before the mold could be repaired. But never substantiated.
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the multi ton hydraulic steel press used to press the panels shown in JohnZ photos on here won’t be effected by no screwdriver
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Originally Posted by ricks327
John Hinckley worked in the factory at that time, hopefully he will chime in for his take on this subject. I know his answer but will let him speak for himself.
JZ:
In five days, they would have built 625 cars, 40% of which were big-blocks; that leaves 375 small-block cars that allegedly were built with big-block hoods. Where are they? They never existed. Half of those 375 bodies would have come from A.O. Smith, and they didn't have big-block hoods in 1967. Any hood substitution would also have been noted with an "RN" number on the tank sticker to reconcile the plant's inventory records, and that didn't happen either. It's a myth - deal with it.
John Hinckley worked in the factory at that time, hopefully he will chime in for his take on this subject. I know his answer but will let him speak for himself.
JZ:
In five days, they would have built 625 cars, 40% of which were big-blocks; that leaves 375 small-block cars that allegedly were built with big-block hoods. Where are they? They never existed. Half of those 375 bodies would have come from A.O. Smith, and they didn't have big-block hoods in 1967. Any hood substitution would also have been noted with an "RN" number on the tank sticker to reconcile the plant's inventory records, and that didn't happen either. It's a myth - deal with it.
Originally Posted by 1snake
I suggest everyone keep an open mind. Nobody (sorry JohnZ) is aware of every single thing that happened on the assembly lines 45+ years ago, only typical or common tendency's.
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There's some truth to that, but I was there (at St. Louis) in 1967; Production guys love to talk about weird out-of-spec things and deviations they've done or had to do, and nobody at St. Louis ever said boo about putting big-block hoods on small-block cars; they'd have remembered.
I suggest everyone keep an open mind. Nobody (sorry JohnZ) is aware of every single thing that happened on the assembly lines 45+ years ago, only typical or common tendency's.
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Jim
There's some truth to that, but I was there (at St. Louis) in 1967; Production guys love to talk about weird out-of-spec things and deviations they've done or had to do, and nobody at St. Louis ever said boo about putting big-block hoods on small-block cars; they'd have remembered.
Originally Posted by Joeym
i was told that 67 small blocks came thru sometimes from, the factory with big block hoods because the had run out of small block hoods during production is this true
JZ:
Nope. "Urban Legend".
i was told that 67 small blocks came thru sometimes from, the factory with big block hoods because the had run out of small block hoods during production is this true
JZ:
Nope. "Urban Legend".
Originally Posted by joecool1965
But it has a big block hood. I've read on several sites that there was a shortage of small block hoods, so some cars came off the line with a SB engine and a BB hood. Is there any truth to this?
JZ:
No. It's a "myth" that won't go away.
But it has a big block hood. I've read on several sites that there was a shortage of small block hoods, so some cars came off the line with a SB engine and a BB hood. Is there any truth to this?
JZ:
No. It's a "myth" that won't go away.
JZ:
The '67 BB hood is a classic design, and I think they look terrific on any car (like Paul67's, for example), and countless '63-'67 Corvettes have had them retrofitted over the years.
However, as Wayne noted, Noland's book was written almost twenty years ago, much has been learned since then, and not one single small-block car has been documented as having had a factory-installed big-block hood over all those years of judging and researching thousands of cars. It's a great-looking hood, but will always cost some points on a small-block car in NCRS judging because they didn't leave the factory that way.
The '67 BB hood is a classic design, and I think they look terrific on any car (like Paul67's, for example), and countless '63-'67 Corvettes have had them retrofitted over the years.
However, as Wayne noted, Noland's book was written almost twenty years ago, much has been learned since then, and not one single small-block car has been documented as having had a factory-installed big-block hood over all those years of judging and researching thousands of cars. It's a great-looking hood, but will always cost some points on a small-block car in NCRS judging because they didn't leave the factory that way.
Originally Posted by 66BlkBB
There lies the rub. If you check all the alleged 67 SB's that came with BB hoods, I would bet that they fall all over the map with respect to the serial numbers. Remember that this problem was supposed to be an isolated problem for a week or so during production. No one pins down the exact weeks the alleged problem occurred. All of the claims of this are just that, claims with no proof.
JZ:
Correct. If it happened like the "legend" says it did, do you suppose that A.O. Smith shut down production for that period? (NOT). They built exactly the same number of bodies every day that St. Louis did, got their small-block hoods from the same supplier, and had NO big-block hoods in their inventory, as they didn't build big-block bodies. The "legend" continues, but has no shoes....
There lies the rub. If you check all the alleged 67 SB's that came with BB hoods, I would bet that they fall all over the map with respect to the serial numbers. Remember that this problem was supposed to be an isolated problem for a week or so during production. No one pins down the exact weeks the alleged problem occurred. All of the claims of this are just that, claims with no proof.
JZ:
Correct. If it happened like the "legend" says it did, do you suppose that A.O. Smith shut down production for that period? (NOT). They built exactly the same number of bodies every day that St. Louis did, got their small-block hoods from the same supplier, and had NO big-block hoods in their inventory, as they didn't build big-block bodies. The "legend" continues, but has no shoes....
Re: Factory paint question on a '67 (achapman)
JZ:
As the story goes, there were 3-5 days of small-block production in January or February that got big-block hoods while the small-block hood mold was repaired, and those cars didn't have the stinger painted. No documentation has been found yet that indicates the range of VIN's involved, as far as I know.
JZ:
As the story goes, there were 3-5 days of small-block production in January or February that got big-block hoods while the small-block hood mold was repaired, and those cars didn't have the stinger painted. No documentation has been found yet that indicates the range of VIN's involved, as far as I know.
Originally Posted by JC6372
They actually did use big block hoods on some small block cars in 67 due to a shortage. Sorry if I'm being Mr. Obvious....
JZ:
None have ever been documented, and that car is WAY too late even if the legend was proven; funny how the auction for that "rare" car doesn't include a photo of the trim tag or the numbers from it.
They actually did use big block hoods on some small block cars in 67 due to a shortage. Sorry if I'm being Mr. Obvious....
JZ:
None have ever been documented, and that car is WAY too late even if the legend was proven; funny how the auction for that "rare" car doesn't include a photo of the trim tag or the numbers from it.
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Originally Posted by VetteZr
What I had read "way back when" was that in 67 when the final C2's were being built, GM ran out of SB hoods & GM not wanting to hold up production used the BB hoods, as a result there were a number of small block cars built with big block hoods, but GM made the decision to not paint a stinger stripe on those SB cars, so those car's hoods were painted in body color only.
JZ:
Nope. Never happened. End of story.
Originally Posted by VetteZr
What I had read "way back when" was that in 67 when the final C2's were being built, GM ran out of SB hoods & GM not wanting to hold up production used the BB hoods, as a result there were a number of small block cars built with big block hoods, but GM made the decision to not paint a stinger stripe on those SB cars, so those car's hoods were painted in body color only.
JZ:
Nope. Never happened. End of story.
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Originally Posted by VetteZr
What I had read "way back when" was that in 67 when the final C2's were being built, GM ran out of SB hoods & GM not wanting to hold up production used the BB hoods, as a result there were a number of small block cars built with big block hoods, but GM made the decision to not paint a stinger stripe on those SB cars, so those car's hoods were painted in body color only.
JZ:
Nope. Never happened. End of story.
Yep, my small block car was built on the last day and it has the correct small block hood.
Steve
Originally Posted by VetteZr
What I had read "way back when" was that in 67 when the final C2's were being built, GM ran out of SB hoods & GM not wanting to hold up production used the BB hoods, as a result there were a number of small block cars built with big block hoods, but GM made the decision to not paint a stinger stripe on those SB cars, so those car's hoods were painted in body color only.
JZ:
Nope. Never happened. End of story.
Yep, my small block car was built on the last day and it has the correct small block hood.
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I'll bookmark Vettebuyer's post so I can pull it up in 6 months when this perennial argument resurfaces... This debate always reminds me of:
"I saw a man pursuing the horizon" By Stephen Crane
"I saw a man pursuing the horizon" By Stephen Crane
I saw a man pursuing the horizon;
Round and round they sped.
I was disturbed at this;
I accosted the man.“It is futile,”
I said,“You can never —
”“You lie,” he cried, And ran on.
Round and round they sped.
I was disturbed at this;
I accosted the man.“It is futile,”
I said,“You can never —
”“You lie,” he cried, And ran on.
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I don’t believe anyone is an idiot who brings it up. When something is repeated enough times, especially in viable sources, it’s an understandable topic. Especially when the best answer is “there are no verified examples of this.”
It will come up again.
It will come up again.
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Yesterday night I called the man in Arizona that bought my 67 and he told me he restored the 67 to NCRS stander , replacing the BB hood with a small block hood, removing the vintage air I installed and trailer hitch I also installed and then sold it it a guy in Canada . So now people that get their pants in a twist #12345 is no longer to be argued over and you few guys that like sniping me can get over it.OK?
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Yesterday night I called the man in Arizona that bought my 67 and he told me he restored the 67 to NCRS stander , replacing the BB hood with a small block hood, removing the vintage air I installed and trailer hitch I also installed and then sold it it a guy in Canada . So now people that get their pants in a twist #12345 is no longer to be argued over and you few guys that like sniping me can get over it.OK?
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Your rep as an F/I guru is unassailable Jerry - I don't think anybody has the temerity to consider you an idiot...
And if such things didn't get 'recycled' here on occasion...there'd be a lot less to talk about...
Its just a little strange that these things get debunked, then people have amnesia and the 'zombie' topic gets hotly debated once again...
And if such things didn't get 'recycled' here on occasion...there'd be a lot less to talk about...
Its just a little strange that these things get debunked, then people have amnesia and the 'zombie' topic gets hotly debated once again...
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Your rep as an F/I guru is unassailable Jerry - I don't think anybody has the temerity to consider you an idiot...
And if such things didn't get 'recycled' here on occasion...there'd be a lot less to talk about...
Its just a little strange that these things get debunked, then people have amnesia and the 'zombie' topic gets hotly debated once again...
And if such things didn't get 'recycled' here on occasion...there'd be a lot less to talk about...
Its just a little strange that these things get debunked, then people have amnesia and the 'zombie' topic gets hotly debated once again...
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We had a member in Corvette of So Cal that claimed he had one of them. IIRC, is was a white car and the hood was just white with no script.
I never looked at it up close.
I never looked at it up close.
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