Tcheairs38655

I'm in the process of frame on restoring a 66 coupe, (approx Sept 15, 65 assembly date according to the vin), even repainting to the correct nassau blue. The car has a correct 427/425 motor/9942 4 bolt block with a blank pad, however upon pulling the motor down for rebuild I find that the casting dates of the intake manifold, heads and other engine components are the correct date codes even down to the band on the TI distributor and carburetor date code. So, hopefully I am dealing with a counter exchange/warranty block. There is no CE stamp, however I have been told that CE does not stand for "counter exchange" anyway.

In any case, I was wondering if it is worth attempting to take it to a NCRS Top Flight level with the NOM. I would appreciate any comments on this but particularly from someone with judging experience.

Thanks in advance

NightshiftHD

"CE" stands for Chevrolet Engine. I'm not sure why its not stamped as I understood all warranty replacement and over-the-counter engines were stamped. It could be the original IP block that has been decked previously in its 50yr life and not restamped. Does the casting date on your 942 block precede your assembly date? If it does, I would suspect you have the original block that's been decked and all you need to do is have it restamped. Bill

Powershift

Or leave the pad blank and receive a deduction of 50 points for VIN and Engine Build missing stamps. If pad broach marks are still present as original there is no deduction. If not, another deduction of 38 points.

However, you can get a TOP FLIGHT with up to 270 points deductions.......and you can offset some of this by mileage points added to your score.

Just be sure paint/color is "right", and no added side pipes that can be detected. A lot of folks have trouble with these items and take big hits in scoring.

Larry

Nowhere Man

My understanding is the CE program didn’t start until 1968 well after a 66 cars warrenty expired. You very could have the original block that someone unknowing decked in the past. If top flight is your goal leave the pad blank. If you restamp it chances it will get your car into question of you tried to counterfeit it from a 327 car. If everything else is correct you should get top flight.

Powershift

Block could also be an over the counter bare block that was purchased to replace original block. Depending on timing it could also have "correct" engine casting numbers and dates and a blank but correctly broached engine pad.

But regardless, I would leave it blank for NCRS Judging and concentrate on other things.

Larry

domenic tallarita

I was a mechanic at a dealer and all new guys start out on factory jobs that don't pay much. We didn't stamp any blocks. Most didn't even paint them as they came bare with no paint.
Back then who cared? Numbers on block didn't seem to bother a thief.
Sad to know that some day we would need them for restoration.

Dom

mikelj

I have a '66 with a replacement long block assembly, it has the engine suffix and assembly date code stamped on the pad, but no VIN.

Tcheairs38655

The block casting date is 3 months AFTER the assembly date of the car, so it's definitely a NOM. The reason I think it may have been an over the counter or warranty replacement short block is because of the correct dates on the heads and other components. The short block incidentally came with the TRW 11:1 closed chamber pistons but NOT dimple rods. I've had the engine magnafluxed, bored .030 over, reassembled and balanced with dimple rods.

The car is in the paint shop now and the PPG paint code for Nassau Blue 13057 is going on today...Next will be replacement of front end and under the dash wiring harnesses. (dreaded task).. Going to try to get all of the under the hood detail work done before the engine goes back in the car. Also underneath the car detail.

rsinor

If it is an over the counter block with a casting date too late for the car it will be a 175 point loss in the judging process with the correct casting number.

Geralds57

It still should have an assembly date even it’s a replacement block. If it’s clean, it’s been decked and no broach marks.

Tcheairs38655

Roy Sinor just posted that the NOM penalty is 170 points. Don't see how I could recover from a lick like that and still make top flight with only 100 points of slack left. In fact the effort would be too great and costly for the unlikely reward. Therefore I will abandon the NCRS quest with this mostly original and rare early build car and just restore it to driver quality. Too.bad NCRS can't provide more incentive for restoration for a car having most of the original engine parts and was most likely drag raced and damaged. Forgot to mention the 4:11 rear end and the lack of any power components. However I can see the NCRS position too. Where do you draw the line on such concessions?

Nowhere Man

whats wrong with second flight? I would still have it judged. just make sure everything else is correct.

MCMLXI

Place an ad request for a block with correct date in the C1 & C2 parts For Sale section here. I bet someone has one for sale. Then offer up the block you have - I bet someone needs your block. Kevin

Tcheairs38655

so. A block with a correct casting date yet blank pad would be worth more than an incorrect casting date even though just 3 months incorrect for judging points?

Will consider a go for 2nd flight. Any idea of the max points deduction for second Flt?

Tcheairs38655

Did that several months ago. Nothing panned out

kenba

You need 90% which I think it would mean you can loss about 340 points.

Rob Myrick

To achieve a Second Flight you need to score 85-93.9% or no more than 675 points. Or, drive the car to the meet and recoup 1% for every 100 miles driven. Get it judged and have fun!

Tcheairs38655

[B]no judging NCRS events ever been scheduled within 500 miles of Memphis TN. We are an NCRS desert.

erns65

The Saint Louis Chapter (300 Miles) just had their spring judging today and the fall meet is scheduled for 13 October.

A-Snake

Kansas City NCRS judging event was just held this month. It's 472 miles from Memphis.