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Old Apr 27, 2018 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by William Buckley
"Sellers, whether dealers or private parties, are under no obligation to educate prospective buyers on all the finer points of the Corvette hobby, i.e., the meaning of "matching numbers" or the significance of an NCRS sticker. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's just not fair to blame a seller for one's own ignorance." Your quote from SW Vette!

I'm going to be blunt also, and tell you to mind your own business. People are in business to make a profit, but not to sell defective merchandise under false pretenses to make that profit. He sold another car to a forum member with the "matching numbers" story, and it was not true for that sale either. You might be a know it all and accept this in California, but we do not accept it where I live! It's called being dishonest to make a sale and not being truthful! Your profile photo shows a "know it all millennial", so suck it up buttercup! You might change your viewpoint when you grow up.
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Old Apr 27, 2018 | 07:59 PM
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Just FYI - from a know-it-all annoying Californian

There is no such thing as a "numbers matching" carburetor or rearend. Those components were not stamped with a VIN derivative like the cylinder case and transmission were. The C2 carburetor has a part number and date. Service units are available with the correct part number, if that matters to you. The differential has a date plus a code indicating ratio and (sometimes) application. NCRS doesn't even judge differential stampings.

Incidentally, California generally has laws more protective of consumers than many other states, but that really has nothing to do with this discussion.
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Old Apr 27, 2018 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SW Vette
Just FYI - from a know-it-all annoying Californian

There is no such thing as a "numbers matching" carburetor or rearend. Those components were not stamped with a VIN derivative like the cylinder case and transmission were. The C2 carburetor has a part number and date. Service units are available with the correct part number, if that matters to you. The differential has a date plus a code indicating ratio and (sometimes) application. NCRS doesn't even judge differential stampings.

Incidentally, California generally has laws more protective of consumers than many other states, but that really has nothing to do with this discussion.
If you are so concerned about consumers, why are you standing up for shady re-seller tactics considering that you are a "know-it-all annoying Californian"? The carb is not the standard issue for that car and the differential is for a 1967 car. The car was delivered to me in substandard shape compared to what I was led to believe considering the documents that were shown to me.

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Old Apr 27, 2018 | 09:04 PM
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Where is the pizziing contest smily?

Very applicable where a potentially meaningful technical discussion has devolved to a manhood contest.

YMMV
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Old Apr 27, 2018 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy Rhino
Where is the pizziing contest smily?

Very applicable where a potentially meaningful technical discussion has devolved to a manhood contest.

YMMV
Agree! These two guys should take this to a PM pissing contest and leave the rest of us out of it!
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Old Apr 27, 2018 | 11:21 PM
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OP, since you sound as if you are not a knowledgeable buyer, IMHO it is mandatory for you to pay someone to look over any Vette you consider buying, whether it is at a dealer or private party car. That's what I did before buying my 67 (which was in another state) 16 years ago from a private party, even though I've owned 21 C2s over the years and knew what I was looking at. He found some things I would have missed, so it was money well spent.
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Old Apr 27, 2018 | 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenmj
Agree! These two guys should take this to a PM pissing contest and leave the rest of us out of it!
I'm out of here anyway. If I remember Frankie started the conversation talking about dealers vs. private individual sellers. I simply stated that I was not very smart, and took the word of a re-seller with false documentation showed me to buy the car that I now own. It has been an humbling and expensive lesson.

I was going to leave it at that until two posters started insulting me for being dumb enough to believe a re-seller and taking up for this re-seller who sold me the car. I have no idea why these two people started to berate me while upholding the irresponsibility of the re-seller. Case is closed as far as I am concerned, but Frankie words are so true to quote ......."dealers like to buy a #4 car for a #5 price, polish it up to look like a #3 and sell it for a #2 price".

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Old Apr 28, 2018 | 05:18 AM
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I had requoted kellsdad's sage advice on the dealer #5, etc... description -- wish I could take credit for that...brilliant!

Thanks for sharing your story William. I've had a few things happen and put them on here as an object lesson for others and gotten derided for it. So join the club my friend.

When I missed out on a split window buy in Virginia because an unscrupulous seller sold it out from under me, while lying about his pending sale to another, as I was traveling with family up to buy it.(900 miles) I was told basically to "suck it up" and quit whining by forum members.

I couldn't care less if he sold it to a cash buyer on the spot and I missed out IF he hadn't said he would hold it until I could arrive to conclude the deal and IF he hadn't lied on the cell phone about working a side deal to sell it after I had launched on a lengthy trip.

I continue to describe my follies on here once in a while to help others avoid pitfalls. I don't give two dog turds about the criticism.

Why?

Because my personal self-worth is not tied to material objects -- not the cars that I own, nor my depth of knowledge about them -- many here suffer greatly from that affliction.
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Old Apr 28, 2018 | 09:00 AM
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Quote from Frankie the Fink ......." continue to describe my follies on here once in a while to help others avoid pitfalls. I don't give two dog turds about the criticism.
Why?
Because my personal self-worth is not tied to material objects -- not the cars that I own, nor my depth of knowledge about them -- many here suffer greatly from that affliction."

Thank you, kind sir!
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Old Apr 28, 2018 | 10:37 AM
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Now we've really gone into the weeds, discussing personal self worth and such. Come on people, its an internet forum! If I write something ridiculous I expect to be ridiculed, it kinda goes with the territory. As someone once said, apropos of nothing: suck it up, buttercup. Normally noobs would get a pass, especially if they seem a little, shall we say, naive. But here the topic was about what to expect from used car dealers and somebody is claiming they were ripped off. I say in that case, back it up with facts so that others can judge for themselves if that seller did anything which merits such a claim.

Maybe there's a lesson to be learned here. Does anyone really expect a used car dealer to inform them of every potential problem with a vehicle? Are they legally required in some states to test drive 50 year old cars to make sure the hubcaps stay on at high speed, or remove those hubcaps and inspect for proper nubs?

The dealer in question currently has a car much like my own that he's advertised as "the best 1965 365hp factory air coupe on the planet." If I think mine is nicer, should I sue him?

I may not be a millennial, but my kids are, and one of the first things they learned about the big bad world is not to believe everything they see in an advertisement. I don't give two turds, as Frankie so eloquently put it, where someone lives or how old they are, the well known adage still applies: let the buyer beware.

And to the gentleman who feels so hard done by, I think what I and others have been trying to say is not "you were ripped off and should have known better," but rather, you got a very nice car. If the frame and birdcage are solid, the problems you experienced are minor. Enjoy the car and be thankful, not bitter. And please don't spend too much at the restoration shop - that could be a whole 'nother topic

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Old Apr 28, 2018 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SW Vette
Now we've really gone into the weeds, discussing personal self worth and such. Come on people, its an internet forum! If I write something ridiculous I expect to be ridiculed, it kinda goes with the territory. As someone once said, apropos of nothing: suck it up, buttercup. Normally noobs would get a pass, especially if they seem a little, shall we say, naive. But here the topic was about what to expect from used car dealers and somebody is claiming they were ripped off. I say in that case, back it up with facts so that others can judge for themselves if that seller did anything which merits such a claim.

Maybe there's a lesson to be learned here. Does anyone really expect a used car dealer to inform them of every potential problem with a vehicle? Are they legally required in some states to test drive 50 year old cars to make sure the hubcaps stay on at high speed, or remove those hubcaps and inspect for proper nubs?

The dealer in question currently has a car much like my own that he's advertised as "the best 1965 365hp factory air coupe on the planet." If I think mine is nicer, should I sue him?

I may not be a millennial, but my kids are, and one of the first things they learned about the big bad world is not to believe everything they see in an advertisement. I don't give two turds, as Frankie so eloquently put it, where someone lives or how old they are, the well known adage still applies: let the buyer beware.

And to the gentleman who feels so hard done by, I think what I and others have been trying to say is not "you were ripped off and should have known better," but rather, you got a very nice car. If the frame and birdcage are solid, the problems you experienced are minor. Enjoy the car and be thankful, not bitter. And please don't spend too much at the restoration shop - that could be a whole 'nother topic
You, sir, have a diarrhea of the mouth problem! Drop the damn subject!

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Old Apr 28, 2018 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by William Buckley
You, sir, have a diarrhea of the mouth problem! Drop the damn subject!
Why do you keep responding? Try following your own advice, buttercup
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