3Mar67

Does NCRS check for authenticity of VIN and Trim tags on judged cars?
Would a car with a fake tag be able to pass National Top Flight or Bloomington Gold?

Nowhere Man

Yes they check both tags. And if they decide it’s fake the car is deemed counterfeit and banned from judging

Powershift

Team Leaders must sign off on VIN and TRIM. These are usually experienced or very experienced individuals...........especially at the Regional and National Level.

The Roy Sinor and Al Grenning Book on Trim Tag Evaluation is used to help in this review.

Larry

MOXIE62

yes

GTOguy

Do the judges look forward to banning vehicles?

Nowhere Man

The idea is to have GM issued tags. But state issue vin tags are fine.

Powershift

No judges I know look forward to finding and banning these cars.

In my experience the hardest things in judging are:

1. Banning a car from judging for non-origiinal VIN/TRIM tags.

2. Telling an owner that his engine pad is non-typical (re-stamped) and therefore subject to major deduction

3. Telling an owner with a new $20,000 paint job, that his paint is beautiful but is a total deduct.

But I have had to do all three over the years.

Larry

Powershift

But the trouble occurs if the VIN tag is from a "3rd party".

Larry

rsinor

YES, but that does not mean that the car could not have received an award at a Chapter level where the judging expertise was not sufficient enough to make the determination, or that the car would not have received an award before these procedures were implemented. Basically prior to the sprog of 2010.

Not today, but prior to 2010 I would say all bets are off, these tag issues were detected as far back as 1992, it took a lot of effort, time, education and training to reach the level the two organizations are at today.

Chummy85623

What is a state issue VIN tag ?

67's

A tag issued by your state if the car is a recoverd theft, or it was lost for some reason.

MOXIE62

If you lose the original tag on your car, the state will issued you a new state tag. It's the kiss of death for resale.

Chummy85623

Seriously? Kiss of death for a car with a lost tag ? Is that because of the "judging thing"? What if a car is real nice, never been stolen or wrecked. but the tag fell off the steering column (C1) many years ago? Still death ??

I have friends with old motorcycles that carry state issued tags, They never had an issue titling, registering or reselling. Just curious as to why Corvettes would be different

vetsvette2002

How much would an old Harley with a state ID tag sell for compared to a C1 or a C2 Corvette that has its original tag?
Does your Corvette have its original tags, and would you have bought it without them?

Nowhere Man

A state issue vin tag has no effect on judging as long as it’s titled in your name with a current registration in your name. The kiss of death he is talking about is when you go to sell car People want a discount for them

Powershift

Roy was the NCRS Team Leader for 1967 Corvettes for many years. He later became the NCRS National Team Leader for all NCRS Judged cars. He and Al Grenning wrote the book on authenticating the Trim Tags for the C2 Corvettes. That book remains the standard to this day.

After serving in this role for MANY years, Roy is no longer the NCRS National Team Leader, but is still heavily involved with the Corvette hobby. Many know him, including myself. I had the privilege to judge C2 Corvettes for many years under his leadership.

Larry

Chummy85623

Cant compare an old Harley to a Corvette, can you? Regardless of the VIN tag issue. The people I know actually build and ride their vintage bikes and place more value on condition than VIN tags as long as there are not issue like salvage titles or problems with state registration. It's not unusual for vehicles that are 50 years or more old to have lost things like VIN tags which were usually attached in a manner that made loss more probable than possible. Just curious. This is all new to me. I guess it depends on your intent in owning the car or bike, the actual condition of the vehicle and how important things like that are to you. The same applies to the "matching numbers" thing

How are all the resto mod Corvettes titled ? The chassis and running gear aren't original but that doesn't seem to affect their value or resale.

rsinor

MOXIE62

And I do not agree with your statement. Every car I have purchased the sheriff checked the vin tag against the title to make sure it matches, then sends paper work to state capital and they check for stolen, liens, etc and if everything is OK I get a tile in my name. I do not know how they can inspect it more then that. And as far as you buying a car with a state tag, you never asked why or even wonder why. It just does not matter..

65hihp

And I don't understand this post at all, as it seems utterly irrelevant to OPs question, and nonsensical. Can anyone make heads or tails out of it?