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I heard about that stolen car just after I arrived at Indy, Friday morning. I drove my '66 coupe to the show...
At Bloomington Gold, 2018
...and for the next 2 days I was a little paranoid about leaving it at night in the hotel parking lot. I had brought a Club for the steering wheel and I removed the **** on the battery shut off switch. I realize if the bad guys want it that won't stop them, but it was at least something of a deterrent. I was still a little anxious each morning, wondering if it'd still be where I left it the night before. It did take a little of the fun out of the event. My friend in his '79 didn't have any worries.
Jim,
I respectively disagree. After 37 years in the criminal justice profession(LEO and courts), possession of stolen property with the value of this car would be a felony in most states.
Rick
You're correct. I should have phrased it as - after going through the court system, it would end up being nothing more than a misdemeanor.
As in several other state, Wisconsin punishes motor vehicle theft according to the value of the stolen vehicle. Stealing a car worth more than $10,000 is a Class G felony, which incurs a fine of up to $25,000, up to ten years in prison, or both.
Most States are somewhat uniform on penalties for vehicle theft. Below are the potential sentences handed out by Wisconsin.
Stealing a vehicle worth more than $5,000, but not more than $10,000 is a Class H felony; and incurs a fine of up to $10,000,up to six years in prison, or both. And if the vehicle was worth more than $2,500, but not more than $5,000, the offense is a Class I felony; which incurs a fine of up to $10,000, up to three years and six months in prison, or both.
The offense is a Class A misdemeanor when the stolen vehicle was worth $2,500 or less. Penalties include a fine of up to $10,000, up to nine months in jail, or both.
As in several other state, Wisconsin punishes motor vehicle theft according to the value of the stolen vehicle. Stealing a car worth more than $10,000 is a Class G felony, which incurs a fine of up to $25,000, up to ten years in prison, or both.
Most States are somewhat uniform on penalties for vehicle theft. Below are the potential sentences handed out by Wisconsin.
Stealing a vehicle worth more than $5,000, but not more than $10,000 is a Class H felony; and incurs a fine of up to $10,000,up to six years in prison, or both. And if the vehicle was worth more than $2,500, but not more than $5,000, the offense is a Class I felony; which incurs a fine of up to $10,000, up to three years and six months in prison, or both.
The offense is a Class A misdemeanor when the stolen vehicle was worth $2,500 or less. Penalties include a fine of up to $10,000, up to nine months in jail, or both.
(Wi. Stat. Ann. § 943.20.)
Unfortunately for us Dan, the key words here in California are "up to." As the thieves seem to get more sympathy than the victims here.
Unfortunately for us Dan, the key words here in California are "up to." As the thieves seem to get more sympathy than the victims here.
Pat
It's that socialist wealth redistribution mentality. Obviously any guy who could afford an expensive antique automobile got his money off the backs of enslaved workers.
Doug
Thank you for all the comments that all of you have posted, and the work in trying to get our corvette back. I am the owner of the stolen corvette. Yes, my wife and I are devastated. This was part of our family. We are trying to get the information out to as many people and sites as possible.
I heard that there may have been another vette stolen last weekend. If this is true could that person contact me at 815-399-6015 or 815-299-0722. Thanks again to all those wonderful people out there who are helping out.
Gary
I am so sorry Gary. I care for the 65 FUEL INJECTION SURVEY., YOUR CAR WAS NEVER IN THE SURVAY. IT IS NOW. I will update the REGISTRY and keep an eye out for the car. We have 612 cars identified now of the 711 made. Many of these owners will keep the eyes open if we tell them.
Thanks for this info STOLEN FROM BLOOMINGTON GOLD CORVETTE SHOW, INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA ON SATURDAY MORNING, JUNE 23RD, 2018
A 1965 BLACK ON BLACK FUEL INJECTED COUPE, VIN number: 194375S103461.
THE TAG ON THE ROCHESTER FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM WAS PART NUMBER: 7017380; SERIAL NUMBER 1005.
KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR ANY PARTS WITH THIS VIN NUMBER ON THEM.
Last edited by jimgessner; 06-29-2018 at 01:06 PM.
The hotel at the Indianapolis airport has changed hands several times. Under every ownership during Bloomington Gold there have been one or two Corvettes stolen. the price is cheep until you add the cost of losing your Corvette. I would suggest to stay up North at 73rd st near Camel. You will pay more but you will not have your Vette stolen. There are other areas that you should avoid in the city but the one at the Airport has had more Corvette's stolen.
St. Jude Donor '09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16-'17-'18-‘19-'20-'21-'22-'23-'24
Originally Posted by BB767
My friend in his '79 didn't have any worries.
Did you hear about that OTHER poor guy? He parked his C-4 at the motel. The next morning he went out and someone had dropped off three more of them!
(And no, I'm not belittling the seriousness of the original incident. If the perps are found, save the .gov some money and just turn them over to a group of Corvette owners to administer justice! )
I just got off of the phone with the owner that had his 65 FI coupe stolen. He will be sending me a flyer he had made up that contains details about the car, including the information on the trim tag.
I will post that information as as soon as I get it.
The owner had the car for 47 years, so he knows every nook and cranny of that car ... every unique characteristic. I suggested to him that he make a list of all of those characteristics, and provide that list to the authorities. I recommended he not share it with the public, just on the off chance that the thieves see it and try to "fix" them.
But this got me thinking...
How many of us would recognize our cars if the VIN / trim tags were changed? How many of us know the unique characteristics that are part of our car. And take that idea one step further, what about putting unique identifiers on various parts of the car.
Ideally this would be during the restoration process.
I am brainstorming the following ideas:
Develop a unique identifier that is different than the VIN (perhaps a combination of husband and wife birthdays, in numerical order)
Permanently mark many of the various parts of the vehicle in places that are not easy to see with the vehicle assembled with that unique identifier.
Photograph the marks on the various parts.
Using me and my wife's birthdays (9/11/57 for me, 10/12/56 for her)
Unique identifier = 91011125657 (or perhaps just 9101112)
Stamp this number is various hidden places:
1. On the inside surface of the engine block
2. On the inside surface of the transmission housing
3. On the inside surface of the differential housing
4. On a very unaccessible part of the frame (perhaps on the underside surface of one or more body mount brackets)
5. On an unaccessible part of both frame rails
6. On a hidden part of the birdcage, perhaps the backside of the Z bar
7. On the seat tracks
You get the idea.
The thought is that this unique identifier would be spread out all over the car and it's major components, but would not be so visible that it alerts the thieves that the car has some unique identifying marks on it.
You could even get a bit creative and "make up" GM part numbers to stamp in visible places. It would look like a part number to the thieves, but would be a unique identifier in plain sight.
Not a bad idea if the car was stolen and then they tried to resell it on BAT or EBAY or something similar. Not so good if it went to a chop shop. I think that's where mine went as I checked with the Las Vegas PD every year for 5 years and no luck. Of course mine was stolen 38 years ago and maybe now the thief's think they could actually sell a stolen car.
I just got off of the phone with the owner that had his 65 FI coupe stolen. He will be sending me a flyer he had made up that contains details about the car, including the information on the trim tag.
I will post that information as as soon as I get it.
The owner had the car for 47 years, so he knows every nook and cranny of that car ... every unique characteristic. I suggested to him that he make a list of all of those characteristics, and provide that list to the authorities. I recommended he not share it with the public, just on the off chance that the thieves see it and try to "fix" them.
But this got me thinking...
How many of us would recognize our cars if the VIN / trim tags were changed? How many of us know the unique characteristics that are part of our car. And take that idea one step further, what about putting unique identifiers on various parts of the car.
Ideally this would be during the restoration process.
I am brainstorming the following ideas:
Develop a unique identifier that is different than the VIN (perhaps a combination of husband and wife birthdays, in numerical order)
Permanently mark many of the various parts of the vehicle in places that are not easy to see with the vehicle assembled with that unique identifier.
Photograph the marks on the various parts.
Using me and my wife's birthdays (9/11/57 for me, 10/12/56 for her)
Unique identifier = 91011125657 (or perhaps just 9101112)
Stamp this number is various hidden places:
1. On the inside surface of the engine block
2. On the inside surface of the transmission housing
3. On the inside surface of the differential housing
4. On a very unaccessible part of the frame (perhaps on the underside surface of one or more body mount brackets)
5. On an unaccessible part of both frame rails
6. On a hidden part of the birdcage, perhaps the backside of the Z bar
7. On the seat tracks
You get the idea.
The thought is that this unique identifier would be spread out all over the car and it's major components, but would not be so visible that it alerts the thieves that the car has some unique identifying marks on it.
You could even get a bit creative and "make up" GM part numbers to stamp in visible places. It would look like a part number to the thieves, but would be a unique identifier in plain sight.
OK, thoughts?
Lots of great ideas Ed!
I've actually done similar suggestions on many of the cars I rebuild.
A unique part number stamped in a easily accessed location visible without disassembly might help, but I doubt that the police are going to disassemble a car / component to look for a unique identifier within the internals. The added stampings might be highly objectionable to a purist buying the part for a restoration or buying a car to restore. You might take a big hit upon selling it.
It is easy to avoid theft if you have the ugliest car and park among the beauty queens. Maybe put static cling vinyl ugly decals on the car for overnight.
Does anyone use a car cover with alarms activated by removal of the cords securing it?
I have had 4 cars restored, and have always had my birthday stamped on the frame in an undisclosed location and grease marked on the body in an undisclosed location. My '66 is being done now, and will get the same treatment.
After the recovery of our '62, I rebuilt the entire car.
On the underside of the fuel tank cover, I wrote a short story on the theft, recovery, and rebuild of the car. Including my name, age at the time, current address, contact number, and how long we have owned it.
Not easy to see, but would be easy to verify if the need ever came along. Plus, it will be kind of cool when somebody runs across this 30, or 40 years down the road.
Kind of like the rebuild of the car on this forum that somebody had written "Happy New Year," on the frame.
Unfortunately, the car that was stolen on this thread, was not just a coincidence. An original black '65, fuel injection with the aluminum wheel option has to be one of the most desirable '65's out there.
Hope to heck the car turns up, the thief is caught, and hung by his galls!
St. Jude Donor '09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16-'17-'18-‘19-'20-'21-'22-'23-'24
Originally Posted by ptjsk
Unfortunately, the car that was stolen on this thread, was not just a coincidence. An original black '65, fuel injection with the aluminum wheel option has to be one of the most desirable '65's out there.
Pat
This was no random "Hey, let's steal a car" deal. Whoever stole that knew exactly what it was and why it was desirable.
As technology continues to advance, I would think it will become more practical, affordable and reliable to equip cars with some device similar to LoJack. Two or three transponders at various locations around the car, perhaps with varying brands or types to avoid signal blockage or whatever. I'm not tech savvy enough to know all the types and all the ways they can be defeated, but I think the concept in general is worth a second look.
Thank you for all the comments that all of you have posted, and the work in trying to get our corvette back. I am the owner of the stolen corvette. Yes, my wife and I are devastated. This was part of our family. We are trying to get the information out to as many people and sites as possible.
I heard that there may have been another vette stolen last weekend. If this is true could that person contact me at 815-399-6015 or 815-299-0722. Thanks again to all those wonderful people out there who are helping out.
Gary
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